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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Sorry—I said that that was my last question, but I have a brief follow-up. Have any of your members described what they think the implications of that would be and what would need to happen for them to be able to do that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

As opposed to other types of learning in higher education or in addition to those?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Do you think that the bill as drafted will increase the likelihood that more people will undertake apprenticeships?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Clare Reid, do you have any comments on those questions?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

If the bill were to be passed and all the funding were to go to the SFC, how big a priority would apprenticeships be within the scale of your work more widely? We have touched on that aspect already, but I would like to hear about it in the context of the 84,000 young people who are not in education, employment or training.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I want to move us on a little, to talk about financial sustainability and monitoring, on which the bill would introduce powers. I will start by setting the scene. Currently, about 84,000 young people in Scotland are not engaged in employment, education or training. More of them come from poorer areas than from other areas. Will the reforms that the bill proposes contribute meaningfully to addressing the immediate skills shortages that Scotland’s key sectors face?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you—I appreciate that.

I am sorry to do this, but it is important that we try to tease out this question. Damien, what are your views on that particular structure?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

My final question on this area is about the colleges. Colleges have said that they are concerned about some aspects of the current model for funding. In submissions on the bill, they have asked whether there will be a no-detriment principle in the way in which funding is distributed in the future. Are you considering that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I thank Ross Greer for accepting my prompt to intervene and clarifying that. I understand and accept that point. Given that any other form of scrutiny of the plan is absent from the bill, his amendment 92 is useful.

I do not intend to move amendment 334, due to what my colleague Ross Greer said about other members of staff who are employed by the establishment. I did not intend to exclude them and would rather that the provision was far more inclusive. I am sure that he appreciates that.

However, I press amendment 331.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for taking my earlier intervention.

My amendment 317 would require the chief inspector to collaborate with Education Scotland in the exercise of their functions, which could help build a more coherent and collaborative education and learning system, as was called for by a range of stakeholders in the consultation on the bill. I take the cabinet secretary’s point about specificity and whether there is something on which to hang the duty, so, given the concerns about the specific mention of Education Scotland, I will not move amendment 317.

However, I still think that there needs to be coherence in the system and that the current lack of coherence should be addressed. That is why I think that my amendment 318 is really important, as it would require the chief inspector to work with relevant establishments and local authorities to

“support children, young people and their parents in those establishments”

with regard to inspections. We have already debated the purpose of inspections, and given that my position on that is on the record, I will not restate it, in the interests of time.

Amendment 318 is an important amendment. It would add to what the cabinet secretary is trying to do by suggesting that there should be collaboration, instead of simply indicating that the chief inspector must have regard to it.

I take the point about this statutory responsibility falling within the responsibility of local authorities—I agree that that is a fact. However, I am not sure that it precludes the chief inspector from working with local authorities and other bodies collaboratively to seek improvement. I am unconvinced that amendment 318 should not be tested in committee.