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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Building on the point that you have just made, cabinet secretary, the attainment gap has widened by every measure among primary 1 pupils. At every level, the gap is widest in writing, and at higher level it is the highest that it has ever been. However, this year’s budget for raising attainment is 2 per cent less than the amount in the 2024-25 budget. Are you happy to continue to allow us to drop in international league tables and for the poorest pupils to be failed?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Do you think that, if the provision of residential outdoor education were a statutory responsibility, the progress in that area would continue, or do you think that additional work would have to be done on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Do you think that any progress can be made, particularly for pupils with additional support needs, without the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The member in charge of the bill, and members of the committee, have addressed this in large part, but I want to put on the record a specific concern that has been raised. The member will know about this. We are already in a situation in which teachers are delivering—as I think that research has suggested—about 11 hours a week for free, on average. In addition, the environment in which they are expected to do that is becoming far more challenging; the member has already alluded to some of the data from last week.

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We have heard that, against that background, the good will among teachers to do the types of things that we are talking about has waned slightly. That would be my concern with regard to making outdoor residential education a core responsibility. As I said earlier, I understand why that is the case, because there are inequities. How would the member respond to that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The concern is that, although we might not see the impact quite yet, if the trajectory continues with regard to what teachers are experiencing in the teaching environment just now, to which you alluded, they could begin to worry about the additional commitment that is required.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning. Thank you for the evidence that you have submitted and for your engagement with committee members throughout the process.

Like other members of the committee, I am really positive about certain aspects of the bill and, in particular, what it could do to improve the life chances of young people. I think that Liz Smith has put forward a compelling case.

However, as Liz Smith will be aware, there are a couple of issues that we need to explore a bit further, including the one that has just been touched on—that of the needs of pupils with additional support needs. What is your assessment of what happens at the moment in that regard and how that relates to your bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

In your discussions with the Government, what has been its response to the issues around pupils with additional support needs accessing residential outdoor activity?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Some of the teachers who have given evidence to the committee on the bill have said that, in order to do this properly for pupils with additional support needs, more staffing resource would be required. Do you agree? How do you think that that could be resolved?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I hark back to my time in the disability movement. Many disabled people have said over the years that sometimes it does mean more resource, but achieving that parity is quite important.

Can you set out for the committee how you considered those additional resources in your financial memorandum?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I thank the Deputy First Minister for her response and for her indication of support. For completeness, I will say that I intend to support her amendments in the group.

I lodged the amendments to do precisely what the Deputy First Minister and my colleague Ross Greer spoke about, which is to give communities a voice in the decision about whether an area should be designated as an area of linguistic significance. In evidence, the committee heard concerns that that might not always be easily achieved. Added to the Deputy First Minister’s amendments, the proposed provision would give strength to community voice.

We chose community councils for amendment 5 because of the role that they play in supporting and advocating for local communities. I take the point that, if there was no active community council at the time, the situation could be quite difficult, and I would not want to hold up a process of community engagement in such cases.

On the basis of what I have heard this morning, I would be happy to work with the Government ahead of stage 3 on an amendment that we could all support, to give voice to communities in such decisions.