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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Amendment 338 would require that any report published by the chief inspector on an educational establishment fully sets out the reasons for the findings that have been made, and amendment 339 would require the chief inspector to

“have regard to any representations made”

by relevant stakeholders, including those

“representing the interests of registered teachers or college teaching staff”

of the

“inspected establishment.”

In the interests of time, convener, I will leave the amendments there for members to decide on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Amendment 331 would require the inspection plan to specify

“how notice of an inspection will be given to an establishment in advance of that inspection”,

and amendment 334 would require the inspection plan to specify

“how an assessment will be made about the mental and physical wellbeing support available in the establishment for ... persons undertaking education or training”

or

“persons providing teaching or training”.

Given what we discussed earlier about the environment in classrooms, the experience of young people and staff in schools and in particular the rise in violence, that is an important aspect of the inspector’s role.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you, convener. I also thank Ross Greer and the cabinet secretary.

If the cabinet secretary is not supportive of amendment 351, can she tell us what other mechanism there is in the bill to ensure that there is not simply a process of transferring over the leadership of an existing organisation that does not have the trust or support of many stakeholders? What other mechanism is available to ensure that the leadership does not simply transfer without at least reapplying for appointment?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I echo everything that Willie Rennie has said about Shirley Rogers, but the point before us is that there is a real lack of trust in the organisation and in some of its leadership, so the ability to refresh it is important.

Another important point is that the process of recruiting to qualifications Scotland has already started, before qualifications Scotland has been set up. We do not yet know what the bill will look like or what the full functions of the organisation will be, so we do not yet know what membership we will need to have on the board of qualifications Scotland. We will have an opportunity to reassess things at that moment in time, after the bill has gone through, if it is passed. We can see what qualifications Scotland’s functions are and what is expected of it. We can then assess whether the board that is there is the board that should continue or whether it needs new membership.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I press amendment 351.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is absolutely fine.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I thank the cabinet secretary for that intervention, and I hope that that helps my colleague Miles Briggs with his deliberations.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I thank Miles Briggs for his intervention.

I suggested the period of six months because of the urgency of establishing trust in the organisation from as early a point as possible. That could include continuing or refreshing the membership. Amendment 351 merely seeks to provide an opportunity to look at it again within six months.

If the cabinet secretary wishes to intervene to indicate whether there could be a slightly longer period—although I think that the full term of a board member would be too long—I would be prepared to consider that.

It seems that the cabinet secretary is not prepared to consider any alternative period of time for refreshing the board.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I understand the cabinet secretary’s point about the inclusion in my amendment of a purpose that relates to improvement, but does she recognise that the Muir review and the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development review suggested that inspection should have an improvement focus?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Yes.