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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I echo some of the points that have been made with regard to the clarity that has been provided—thank you for that. However, can you provide some further clarity, minister? In your letter to the SFC, on sustainability, you said:

“while careful consideration must be given to the financial sustainability of individual institutions, I expect SFC to consider the wider landscape of provision and the needs of learners”.

That could be quite widely interpreted. Will you take this opportunity to clarify that you have no intention of letting an institution, college or university fail?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning. Across the rest of the UK, there are different models for funding university tuition. Within those models—in Wales and elsewhere in the UK—solutions have been found. With that in mind, what solutions is the Scottish Government looking at?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

My point is to ask what the Scottish Government’s approach is within the funding model that is being used.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Of course not.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Of course, and that trust is one of the reasons why I made my earlier comments. However, there is still a 2 per cent reduction in raising attainment money, and I think that it is quite clear for all to see that that is a real concern in schools just now.

I will just clarify what I am talking about in relation to the 2 per cent reduction, before someone challenges me on it. The strategic equity fund remains at around £43 million, but the total of the SEF is planned to be reduced in 2025-26 as the transitional taper from the challenge authority model to the SEF ends. In real terms, that means that about 2 per cent less is going into raising attainment than was the case in 2024-25.

You have also—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that. It is stated in the level 4 data that some of that funding covers the areas that I highlighted.

I will move on to colleges and universities. Good morning, minister, and happy new year. I note what we have been told about the settlement for colleges and skills, but the calculator produced by the Scottish Parliament information centre suggests that colleges face a real-terms decrease in funding. Colleges Scotland has said that that is deeply disappointing. There has been a reduction in the number of college places, in staff and in the number of qualifications that are offered. In its submission to us, Colleges Scotland said:

“This shortfall will have far-reaching implications for Scotland’s economic recovery, its ability to attract and retain industries, and the country’s over-reliance on imported labor”

and that

“The result will be an enduring prevalence of low-paid jobs, leaving many citizens trapped in poverty.”

How do you intend to address skill shortages, given that colleges face a real-terms reduction in funding?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I used the ACEL data to talk about the attainment gap widening year on year in every measure at primary 1.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

But it is still the case that there is a reduction.

I am conscious of time, so, if it is all right, I will move on to talk about ASN. The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government made a statement about the £29 million additionality to ASN. However, my understanding is that that is to cover grant-aided special schools, the implementation of additional support for learning, Enquire, CALL Scotland, the “Let’s talk ASN” service, the Scottish Sensory Centre, Dyslexia Scotland and so on, so it will be spread quite thinly. However, young people with additional support needs are still in intolerable circumstances. How many more young people will access specialist support as a result of that additional spend, given how thinly it will be spread?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you, convener. I have just listed the other aspects that are expected to be funded through that. Should we expect a reduction in support for those aspects, or will additional funding be provided?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

On clawback in relation to universities, we know that a number of the modern institutions have had quite a bit of funding clawed back because they did not fill their places, as a result of a reduction coming through from colleges, largely because of the underfunding. Given that it is largely because of that, is the minister prepared to look at the use of clawback by the SFC for universities, too?