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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Again, I share that aspiration. Minister, what, specifically, will you do to resolve the problems that we have heard about in committee? For example, we heard directly from colleges that they are undertaking collaborations with industry

“at the side of a desk”.—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 18 June 2025; c 14.]

We heard from other principals that the model was about “bums on seats”, but not about the flexible, modular delivery that industry and the economy, and local areas, need.

What specific changes is the Government going to make, and what is the quantum that you are going to attach to that in the budget?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

What are you going to ask for?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that, and I appreciate that you are new in the role, but you will have people around you who will have been able to get you up to speed.

The sector has said that there has been a lack of leadership and direction to date. When the principal of NESCol came to committee, he said that:

“in the absence of direction”,

they

“simply cracked on”.—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 5 February 2025; c 11.]

That does not seem to be a particularly optimal way of supporting colleges to do what you have just said that they should do.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that, but the SFC needs some leadership. You cannot continually say that it is the SFC’s job. The SFC is saying that it is the Government that determines the quantum. Colleges, young people and people across Scotland’s economy all need some leadership on the matter. The Government will need to step up on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

By whom?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

But the number of learners who are being taught is going down and the number of college staff is vastly shrinking.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Financial sustainability is your statutory responsibility.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I am hearing language around review and transformation but, as you have concurred with committee members this morning, it feels as if you—as the canary in the coal mine, as it were—should have done that far sooner; I feel that it is a bit late to start reviewing things. Colleges need action in specific areas in order to be able to deliver a coherent provision.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I want to briefly touch on the tertiary education bill. In evidence to the committee, Colleges Scotland said that, under the current model of funding for apprenticeships, only 40 per cent of the Scottish Government funding reaches colleges in some apprenticeship frameworks. How will that change as a result of the bill, and what actions will you take to change it?

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