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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 February 2026
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I recognise the member’s commitment to and support for the bill. If there was no time limit, what would be the difference between a person living as a disabled person and a terminally ill person?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

If I had not thought—wrongly—that Bob Doris’s amendments 139 and 140 were in another group, I would have said at the outset that I think that they are incredibly important. Together with Stuart McMillan’s amendments 216 and 217, they get to the heart of some of the concerns that disabled people have about the internalised ableism in society. I have to say that a rejection of them, a rejection of any definition of coercion and a rejection of any other process to determine that coercion is taking place, including that in Brian Whittle’s amendments, would be quite concerning. I hope that the committee will therefore support some of the amendments on that.

I draw the committee’s attention to the evidence from the Royal College of General Practitioners Scotland, which challenged the assumption that discussions about assisted dying could take place at regular GP appointments. It said:

“This is a complex process, morally and emotionally, involving considerable time for technical assessment of capacity and coercion which can be challenging. We do not believe that this work can or should be incorporated into an already very busy and stressed service, without potential detriment to patient care”

That is an important reflection from front-line professionals for us to bear in mind. When we are considering the definition of coercion, the clearer we can be in the legislation, the better.

The committee is grappling with two aspects. One is the definition of coercion. There are several options available to the committee in the amendments. Some of them include the broader aspects, which I think are essential to include, and some of them are more narrow but nonetheless still define coercion. Given what the Royal College of General Practitioners said about the ability of professionals to reach such a difficult decision without clarity in legislation, I would like to think that committee members will support the amendments.

I will comment briefly on the point that amendment 13 might not be moved at this stage because of concern about training health professionals and the cost of that. Concern about the cost of training health professionals on the legislation is legitimate. For people to be able to do this work, not only will they have to have time to do it but they will have to be trained to do it. There is a question whether we should bear the brunt of that cost. Training will cost money. I would like to think that, if the bill is to include the safeguard that such professionals will be able to make such decisions, surely they will have the appropriate training. Even if my colleague Emma Harper does not press amendment 13 at stage 2, I would like to think that something similar will be lodged at stage 3, regardless of the cost.

I press amendment 220.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Is the member suggesting that he would support the provisions of the act being operated in an unregulated way?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning. I will touch on the notification of parents, which is an area that we have discussed a bit already. In the interests of clarity, can the cabinet secretary set out the Government’s position on the bill’s approach to schools being required to inform parents and carers when restraint is used?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Are those the Government’s expectations or the SFC’s expectations, or are those one and the same?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

What about student services?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I will come back to that in a second. You also said that trade unions were told. Should there not be engagement with trade unions, as opposed to giving them instructions or telling them to do something? Surely there should be more proactive engagement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

As I understand it, one of the conditions is that the university achieves wide buy-in to the recovery plan—that it is not something that is just imposed. What engagement has the cabinet secretary had with the trade unions about their view on the recovery plan?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

What is the Government’s expectation of schools and local authorities if parents are not informed? What are the consequences of that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Data gathering is crucial and it is a key reason for the bill.

In other situations, the care setting, which in this case would be the school, would get support following an incident, so that it does not feel alone in dealing with it. Support would also be given to the parents so that they were not left alone in trying to challenge or discuss what has happened. Does the cabinet secretary think that there is a role for any supportive external influence for parents or schools?