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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 November 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I will push a little bit further on that. Do you see a direct correlation between the outcomes in the child poverty delivery plan and the spending review? Can you see where the money is being allocated and whether or not it is likely to be enough?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have a short question. Minister, will you commit to come back to the committee in a year’s time to give us an update on this particular part of the transfer?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I would be keen to have such a session, following on from my colleague Natalie Don’s points around an analysis of how case transfer has impacted on individuals. I am not sure whether that will be available in a year but, if it is, a session on that would be helpful.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning and thank you for the information you have given in advance and for your answers so far. It is very helpful to have things set out in the way that you have done, particularly for someone like me who finds some of the detail quite complicated, so I thank you.

I want to explore some of the options that are available to the Government. Some of this will touch on the forecast and possibly a little bit on the gaps that were mentioned in the previous discussion.

You said that some of the funding decisions around social security will mean that the pressures on other areas are significant. Could you set out your view on what other options were available to the Government to balance the books on social security?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that. You gave a similar answer earlier, but when you mentioned youth employment I thought that maybe I had worded it badly the first time around and there was more, but I take that point. Thank you for that.

My final question is about cost of living issues and, in particular, the Scottish Government’s child poverty delivery plan. Does the spending review and your forecasting take account of the money that will be required to deliver that plan? Can you see anything in the Government’s plans that shows that there will be money attached to each of the outcomes within the delivery plan?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Are there any plans to look at other factors, including employability support, particularly given the constraints that colleagues have highlighted in other areas in the budget?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

No, that is okay. It is important that we have a dialogue on this.

Disabled people will be watching this and, I guess, worrying, as anyone on DLA transferring to either PIP or ADP will worry. As I am sure that everyone appreciates and understands, it is not a great feeling when a review happens, and the communication and the messages that you put out will be important. Given that, over the years, your Government and my own party in particular have been saying that the changes from DLA to PIP were concerning and given the many problems that you had when the UK Government changed to PIP, have you at any point considered replicating some of the DLA systems in ADP to create a like-for-like benefit for the people concerned?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you—that was really clear. However, what I am trying to get at is whether, in designing ADP, you at any point considered replicating the best aspects of PIP and DLA to ensure that the ADP transfer system would be much smoother for anyone coming from DLA or PIP as a result of its being able to look at the eligibility criteria across both.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I do not doubt that. That the current DWP system is poor, particularly in the move from DLA to PIP, is well documented, so the Scottish Government’s different approach, which includes protecting people for that bit longer, is hugely welcome.

You said earlier that people will not have to reapply as they have to do in the move from DLA to PIP. Ultimately, however, they will have to reapply; it will just happen later, and then they will have to make an application for ADP, which is what—

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I know that both aspects will be welcome, minister. Just in case I forget to do this—as I have in the past, so please allow me to do it just now—I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests as someone who receives PIP and who, I assume, will at some point transfer to ADP.

The aspects that you have just set out are really helpful, but I am still not clear whether you think that some people will be worse off. Can you specifically commit to the no-worse-off principle in this regard?