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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 July 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you for that answer; that is helpful. I will ask a quick supplementary if that is okay, Chris. What evidence do you have that people would use the bill for bad actor purposes?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Yes. Your point was that it is irreversible and that was conflated with the point about reassignment surgery.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

On your point about regulations, what support and guidance would you be able to offer people who apply for a gender recognition certificate? Have you had any conversations with the Government around the guidance that is mentioned in the bill? In particular, what additional support would you be able to offer to 16 and 17-year-olds?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning to the panel and thank you for your opening statements, which I found really helpful.

My first question is also for Paul. Will you set out what the effect of a statutory declaration is and give other examples of how they are used in Scotland today?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Yes, it is very helpful. At what point would you signpost people to the organisations that would provide the broader support? What kind of organisations are they?

You mentioned that you would give information on the consequences of applying for a gender recognition certificate and changing sex. What do you expect that advice to look like?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Are there aspects of the bill that you think would make the process irreversible?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I do not have any evidence to suggest that it would not be irreversible, so I could not dispute that. What part of the bill would put someone on the path of accessing puberty blockers?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. Can people who are currently in your care make statutory declarations?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I would appreciate that. We know that you are currently reviewing the policy. Thank you for setting that out in such detail.

Throughout the course of our evidence, but last week in particular, we have heard about some undesirable circumstances that have arisen in prisons elsewhere in the UK. Are you able to say why that has happened elsewhere? We have not heard that there are similar circumstances in Scotland. If there are, it would be good to hear about those. Why is the position in the Ministry of Justice different from what is happening in Scotland just now?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good afternoon to the panel. Thank you for your answers to the questions so far and for the information that you submitted in advance, both of which have been really helpful. I have a couple of follow-on points from what we have heard.

Some of you have said that the reflection period is remarkably short for a decision of such magnitude—I think that that is specifically how it was put. However, we have heard a lot from LGBT people about how applying for a gender recognition certificate is usually the end, rather than the beginning, of a process for them, and that they will have been thinking about it for a significant period of time, so much so that I think that Denmark—Chris Ringland gave it as an example—is one of the countries considering no longer having that period. I will be corrected on the record if I am wrong on that, but I think that Denmark is one of those countries.

What is your response to LGBT people who say that applying for a GRC is the end of the process and that they have already spent a lot of time thinking about whether they want to change their gender?