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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 July 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have one more question for you, and then I will move on. I agree that there will be some people who want to harm women, but do you think that those bad actors feel that they need a gender recognition certificate to do that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you—I appreciate that. I have a final question on that area, which is around the unemployment rate. You note in your papers that the unemployment rate is low. Will you tell us something about the types of jobs that people are accessing? What is the whole picture? Obviously, if people have low wages or are in insecure work, that affects tax take. Can you tell us anything deeper about those figures and how they affect the funding envelope that is available?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that. You gave a similar answer earlier, but when you mentioned youth employment I thought that maybe I had worded it badly the first time around and there was more, but I take that point. Thank you for that.

My final question is about cost of living issues and, in particular, the Scottish Government’s child poverty delivery plan. Does the spending review and your forecasting take account of the money that will be required to deliver that plan? Can you see anything in the Government’s plans that shows that there will be money attached to each of the outcomes within the delivery plan?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Are there any plans to look at other factors, including employability support, particularly given the constraints that colleagues have highlighted in other areas in the budget?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

No, that is okay. It is important that we have a dialogue on this.

Disabled people will be watching this and, I guess, worrying, as anyone on DLA transferring to either PIP or ADP will worry. As I am sure that everyone appreciates and understands, it is not a great feeling when a review happens, and the communication and the messages that you put out will be important. Given that, over the years, your Government and my own party in particular have been saying that the changes from DLA to PIP were concerning and given the many problems that you had when the UK Government changed to PIP, have you at any point considered replicating some of the DLA systems in ADP to create a like-for-like benefit for the people concerned?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you—that was really clear. However, what I am trying to get at is whether, in designing ADP, you at any point considered replicating the best aspects of PIP and DLA to ensure that the ADP transfer system would be much smoother for anyone coming from DLA or PIP as a result of its being able to look at the eligibility criteria across both.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I do not doubt that. That the current DWP system is poor, particularly in the move from DLA to PIP, is well documented, so the Scottish Government’s different approach, which includes protecting people for that bit longer, is hugely welcome.

You said earlier that people will not have to reapply as they have to do in the move from DLA to PIP. Ultimately, however, they will have to reapply; it will just happen later, and then they will have to make an application for ADP, which is what—

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I know that both aspects will be welcome, minister. Just in case I forget to do this—as I have in the past, so please allow me to do it just now—I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests as someone who receives PIP and who, I assume, will at some point transfer to ADP.

The aspects that you have just set out are really helpful, but I am still not clear whether you think that some people will be worse off. Can you specifically commit to the no-worse-off principle in this regard?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

But what about the long term?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

You have touched on this already, but my final question is on the support that people will get through the transitional arrangements. Do you have any understanding of the number of people who will need that kind of independent support through the advocacy service or third sector organisations, and have you looked at the capacity that those organisations will require to meet that demand?