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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 May 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

If that is okay, convener.

I am keen to know what the Equality and Human Rights Commission has learned from similar organisations in other countries where self-declaration has already happened. In some cases, that has been the case for a number of years. What can you tell us about the use of self-ID internationally—or anything else—that you have learned from your work with partners? Do you have evidence that you can share with us now that can speak to the impact of self-declaration on trans people, and the impact of self-declaration on women?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

In all that work, have you got any evidence of abuse of the self-ID system?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

In looking at those broader implications, would you say that you have not found any evidence of a negative impact?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have one more question on this area. I will keep the international question for later.

In your evidence, you have set out why you support change, and you note that just now, trans people can, without a gender recognition certificate, socially transition. Can you set out what difference it makes for a trans person to have a gender recognition certificate, what rights it would secure that the trans person otherwise would not have, and why those are important?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I thank the witnesses for their really helpful answers so far.

I will touch a bit more on the international evidence. In your written evidence, all of you note what is happening in other countries that have moved to a self-identification model. From those international examples, what can you tell us about the impact of such a move? Specifically, how has it affected trans people in those countries, and how has it affected single-sex spaces? Have you seen any data or evidence that suggests that there has been abuse of the self-ID system in the countries where it has been implemented?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that helpful answer. At the moment, anyone who has a gender recognition certificate is protected by the gender recognition aspect of the 2010 act, but that also protects a wider group of people who do not have a gender recognition certificate. People in that broader group have rights that are afforded to people whether or not they have a GRC. What is the legal effect of a GRC? How do you view the relationship between GRCs and the 2010 act? Are you aware of any legal cases about the use of single-sex spaces where the possession of a gender recognition certificate was a factor in determining access or exclusion?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have a short supplementary question. We have heard evidence that trans people feel that the bill has been one of the most consulted-on pieces of legislation ever and that the length of time for which the process has gone on has not helped the discourse that has been described, for anyone. How do we square that situation with the need to get the additional assurances and legal advice that you have said are required?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you for the evidence that you submitted in advance of the meeting, and for what you have said so far. I also thank you for the work that you have done in the past year, and previously, for the people whom you represent. I acknowledge the significant effort that has gone into your work for LGBT people over the years.

My first question was going to be about the case for change, but you have addressed much of that in setting out your stall, as it were. However, one question remains in that area. Could you tell us a bit more about the hidden costs of applying for a gender recognition certificate?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Low Income and Debt Inquiry

Meeting date: 12 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Not on this theme, convener, but I have a couple of questions on other themes. Would you like me to ask them now or to come back in if there is time?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Low Income and Debt Inquiry

Meeting date: 12 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I am keen to ask about the current landscape of services. I will direct my questions to SAMH and the Money and Mental Health Policy Institute. What is your understanding of the funding environment in which those organisations are working? Has that environment had an impact on their ability to provide mental health and debt support? That also relates to debt advisers’ role in providing mental health support; it works both ways.

As you know, the breathing space mechanism in England is slightly different from our moratorium. Could we and should we extend the moratorium in Scotland to ensure that creditors do not contact people at all and that it lasts for a longer period—for as long as someone is experiencing crisis?