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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 May 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Low Income and Debt Inquiry

Meeting date: 19 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning to the panel. I thank the panellists for all the evidence that they have given so far this morning and for the evidence that they submitted in advance of the meeting, and I again put on record my thanks to the organisations that have supported people and their membership throughout a really tough couple of years for all that they have done.

I want to explore the council tax and the public debt mechanisms that we have spoken about and to understand a bit about the experience of families just now. I will start on the theme that we have just been discussing.

I share Betty Stone’s concerns about the way that local authorities are pursuing debt. To be honest, I feel that I have heard from people this morning that there seems to be quite a bit of onus on individuals. As Karen Carrick said, the statutory duty is about ensuring that people access advice rather than ensuring that the advice is provided or funded. That really puts the burden of responsibility on someone who is in debt, and someone who is in debt is, by definition, struggling.

Could Karen Carrick or Paul Ferguson suggest anything that could help to shift the burden of responsibility to local authorities to improve the system, rather than to individuals to seek support earlier? I am not suggesting that we want people to seek support at the last minute, but I think that the burden of responsibility needs to change.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Low Income and Debt Inquiry

Meeting date: 19 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have a further question about that before my last question on this theme. Is there any way to stop people needing advice services in the first place? Is there anything that can be done during the local authority revenue collection process that would prevent people from needing advice services and which would be a bit more preventative, such as telling people that they have a council tax reduction? Can you think of any examples of ways to prevent the need for advice?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Low Income and Debt Inquiry

Meeting date: 19 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. That is much appreciated.

Will Martin Canavan tell us a little about the experiences of the people who have accessed his fund recently? In particular, I was struck by your description of what you are seeing as not just relative poverty but absolute poverty. Will you tell us a little about that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Low Income and Debt Inquiry

Meeting date: 19 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Some of the evidence that we have suggests that data collection on council tax arrears and other public debt arrears could be improved. Can someone comment on that? It occurred to me that it would be good to know more about that.

I also have a specific question for Paul Ferguson on public debt in relation to social care charging. What debt you are seeing in relation to that revenue stream?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Low Income and Debt Inquiry

Meeting date: 19 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

We have received some written evidence from Close the Gap, and other committees that I sit on have taken evidence from it in person, on the specific experiences of women who are experiencing significant debt for all the reasons that I know many of us understand. In particular, Close the Gap has highlighted the significant debt that is experienced by disabled women, black and minority ethnic women and, in particular, lone parent families. Will CPAG and Aberlour comment on what we could do in Scotland with the powers that we have to try to target resources to those groups?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning. Thank you for the information that you provided in advance and for answering our questions today. I want to ask about the change in your view before I move on to the interactions between the GRA and the Equality Act 2010.

Have you explained your change in position to trans people? Can you set out the legal considerations that you used in doing that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Yes—thank you. Would it be okay to ask about international evidence on this issue, convener?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is really helpful.

I will move on to a question about procedures. The submissions from Stonewall and the Equality Network note concerns that section 8U(1)(c) allows for the registrar general, by regulations, to make provision for or about

“information or evidence to be included in an application”.

Could you tell us more about your concern? Should that provision be in primary legislation? I find it odd that it is to be in regulations. What should we do about that concern?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Can you say something about some of the legal considerations that you used in changing your view?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. Colin Macfarlane, do you have anything to add?