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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 July 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, minister and officials. Forty-four per cent of carers are in poverty. About 40 per cent of them have said that they are struggling to make ends meet and that they cannot afford essentials, 49 per cent are struggling to afford the cost of food and 37 per cent are in debt as a consequence of caring. The number of carers who have cut back on essentials since 2021 has almost doubled. Has the minister considered at this juncture doubling the carers allowance supplement?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I have no further questions on that point.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I appreciate that, and it is what my supplementary point is about. We are going into far wider issues. When we spent a bit of time talking about it from one perspective, that was fine, but we are now told that it is not fine to do so from another perspective. I just want to raise that and say that these things, if they matter, matter from a much broader perspective than the one that was raised.

I can go straight into my next theme if that is helpful.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Additional Payments) (No 2) Bill

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you for setting out the Government’s position on the cost of living payments and the legislative consent motion. If it is the view of the Scottish Government that it is within the legislative competence of the Scottish Parliament to pass legislation to provide payments to people in Scotland as set out in the bill, why has it not done so?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Additional Payments) (No 2) Bill

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I do not understand why. The Scottish Government has data on which people are on low incomes in Scotland. We have that through various mechanisms, including from local authorities. If the Scottish Government believes that this legislation impinges on devolved legislation, it accepts that there is a responsibility in devolved legislation to make payments to people in times of hardship. My question is, why have you not done that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I appreciate that. My understanding is that, of the £400 million-odd, about £28 million is coming from your budget and the rest is coming from Barnett consequentials—

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I appreciate that. I have a further question on this. We know, and Inclusion Scotland has made representations to this effect, that disabled people’s energy costs have doubled and that a number of disabled people access the winter heating payment that the minister mentioned. On that basis, Inclusion Scotland suggested that that payment also be increased. I think it originally said that it should be doubled. What was your response to its request?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

How would there be a two-tier system just now? My understanding is that all carers allowance is being paid by the UK Government. The two-tier system would be one tier in Scotland and one tier in the rest of the UK, which I think we can all accept is the point of devolution. I do not understand that justification.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

As the minister and other members will be aware, the Scottish statutory instrument that we are looking at today raises the carers allowance earnings limit to £139, which in the context of some of the figures that I set out earlier is very helpful. However, in the Government’s consultation on carers assistance, the proposed increased to the amount that carers could earn while receiving that assistance—of course, carers allowance is still being delivered through the DWP under an agency agreement—could be linked to 16 hours at the real living wage, which would be £174. Has the minister considered that figure as opposed to £139? Why has the minister not taken the opportunity to put more money into the pockets of unpaid carers, who are really struggling right now?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that there is a live consultation, but does the minister accept that unpaid carers are struggling and that any increase could be helpful? The figure that I have chosen is the one that the minister proposed in the consultation. I am not asking the minister to pre-empt the conclusions, but I think that it is fair to assume that unpaid carers would accept that more money is needed. I am just asking whether that figure was considered.