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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Okay.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

It does not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That would be helpful. Thank you for clarifying that.

If Laura Meikle could share the 100,000 figure that she gave, that would be helpful.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

A lot of that relies on tenacious parents. My office has gone back to councils and has asked them to look at things differently, but they very rarely do.

The work with Audit Scotland on that is important, because it looks at the strategic answer, as opposed to relying on individuals who are already overstretched and, in some cases, burst, to be honest. How are the conversations with Audit Scotland progressing to ensure that it includes that work in its auditing of schools?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I want to ask a question about some of the findings of the Morgan review. First, I will read out a couple of quotes, which you will probably already have seen. Douglas Hutchison said:

“I might have Miss Honey this year as my teacher: she is a great teacher and I do not have any problems. Next year, however, I might have Miss Trunchbull. Suddenly, I have additional support needs, because she is not helping me to access the curriculum. I have not changed; the external environment has changed.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 19 January 2022; c 35.]

In her review, Morgan said:

“Where openness and transparency are not in place, the risks are of a culture of blame and/or a culture that lacks robust accountability for practice with vulnerable children and young people.”

In addition, at our predecessor committee, she said:

“I found that the system is overly dependent on those individuals, and it is fragmented and inconsistent.”—[Official Report, Education and Skills Committee, 18 November 2020; c 2.]

That does not feel like a sufficient system. To me, that is quite disappointing. Why is the system so varied, and what would need to change to address that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that. Do I have one more question?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have a supplementary on data and I have a question about finance. Do you want me to ask that one now as well, convener?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

No bother at all. That is fine.

Our papers for the meeting say that 28 per cent of pupils in primary school and 40 per cent of pupils in high school have ASN. Can the witnesses explain why there seems to be a greater prevalence in high school? Is it due to late diagnosis?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I do not think that I caught all of the figures that Laura Meikle gave.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The Morgan report talks about expenditure on additional support for learning, and it says that it is

“one of the areas of most unpredictable local authority spend”.

It goes on to say that

“it tends to be overlooked at corporate level in local authorities due to the focus on the other very real challenges of providing adult and older people services.”

Why is ASN being overlooked in local government expenditure in that way?