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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Moving on to a final point about delays, the data that I have from March shows that the PVG scheme record update in 2016 took just over two days. That was up at nearly nine days in 2023. Do the minister and Disclosure Scotland think that the changes will resolve some of the delays and make the updates quicker, or do they expect the time required to continue on that trajectory?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Sorry. I get the point but, ultimately, the Government made a commitment to such provision, so what has it done to take into account the pupils who have not been able to access that provision? What is the Government’s assessment of who is missing out? What will the Government do about it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is appreciated, but the minister will know that most of the income that she has just described that can be used for those purposes is being stretched in different directions and that local authorities are really struggling. If this is not the bill to provide improvements for the pupils who we have heard are missing out, what is the Government’s alternative?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

With regard to some of the gaps in the data, how did the Government come to the alternative financial memorandum that it has proposed?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

On the point that the Government does not know how many people and, in particular, how many people with additional support needs, are accessing such residential trips, does the Government accept that, in order to deliver on its existing commitments in that area, it really should know that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

In the Government’s response, it has said—and you have repeated on the record this morning—that it

“is committed to improving outdoor learning provision ... ensuring that all learners are experiencing regular, enjoyable, and challenging outdoor learning experiences”.

As far back as the 2021-22 programme for government, Government said:

“We will make sure that pupils from lower-income families can take part in school trips, providing support for children to go on curriculum-related trips and activities”.

In our evidence sessions on the bill, Tara Lillis from the NASUWT, and others, have told us that there are “significant barriers” to participation under current provision, including costs to schools, particular barriers for specialist settings to access appropriate facilities and other

“systemic barriers to participation that align with ... equality duties”.—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 13 November 2024; c 5.]

What is the Government’s assessment of the proportion of pupils who have the opportunity to undertake residential outdoor education?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that, minister, but I want to understand what is happening.

We know that work is continuing—the minister and the Government regularly describe the on-going work. The fact remains, however, that a high number of pupils are still struggling to access outdoor learning because of the lack of support and the barriers that the NASUWT highlighted to the committee.

Should the bill be passed, has the Government made any plans to implement it in order to see some of the changes that are required?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Has it made any plans for implementation, if the bill is passed, as part of the solution to the problems that we are discussing?

If the bill is passed to make change happen, rather than just having the existing strategies and systems that the Government is speaking about, it could drive the change that is required. Has the Government made any plans for how it would be implemented?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Would the minister accept that more needs to be done for pupils with additional support needs, regardless of whether the bill is passed?

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