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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 October 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Paul Sweeney

How do you envisage that playing out? We talked about procurement, the opportunity cost of using public expenditure and the demand signal from public expenditure to sustain projects in the community. There is currently a kind of absurdity in the system in which third sector organisations are chasing ever-diminishing grant funding, leading to stress in those organisations. At the same time, vast contractual value is flowing through the system that is perhaps bypassing our communities. If that pound was working harder in a local setting, it could achieve multiple effects, including stability of local community projects, while supplying services. The development of more of a co-operative or social enterprise model could be a virtuous cycle.

That is the kind of discussion that has emerged during today’s evidence sessions. Does the minister have any reflections on that, and on providing underpinning for a community to remove the stress in organisations and the burnout that is often experienced? We often hear about communities and charities that are chasing grant funding and are stressed out about it, while service users are worried about the future of organisations to which they have a connection. There is a disparity between health boards, local authorities and health and social care partnerships, where the turning off and on of projects seems to militate against national objectives. Do you think that the whole process could be more coherent, which could provide better security all round?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Paul Sweeney

By taking that approach and having different judgments on what constitutes value, do you not risk introducing inequality? In local authorities, I have often seen massive risk aversion, particularly around budgets. I imagine that there is very little appetite to be experimental.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Paul Sweeney

Thanks.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Paul Sweeney

Ms Brown, we know that farmers and those in rural communities grow food. How could Scotland’s farm to fork journey be more robustly developed by the third sector, particularly with reference to mental health, wellbeing and a sense of connection to the wider community? Could or should that be more robustly referred to in the plan?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Paul Sweeney

I wonder about the design of public procurement in all of this. The opportunity cost of public procurement, food behaviour and system design were mentioned earlier. By my rough calculations, NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde spent around £24 million on food in 2018. What is the opportunity cost of that? How could we better utilise such expenditure?

Community catering organisations, social enterprises, food pantries and so on are already on a shoestring and are struggling to get grant funding, so surely the social enterprise model would be well served if such vast expenditure were channelled more into the local economy. Do you have any insights into public procurement design and how that could change?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Paul Sweeney

So that social value demonstrates beneficial mental health outcomes and a public health benefit. How do you capture the opportunity of social value creation in procurement so that it drives behaviour in commissioning and procuring services?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Paul Sweeney

Professor Jaacks, when you look at mental health and food insecurity from a public health perspective, do you think that those should be more robustly referred to in the plan?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Paul Sweeney

Could the plan refer more explicitly to the idea of communal dining as a social good? Colleagues touched on procurement. Traditionally, procurement has been preoccupied with cost and quality. Perhaps we could better define social value and how we measure social value. There are ideas about social value being about reducing loneliness or the time wasted in applying for myriad funds, but there are other ways in which we could measure social value so that it demonstrates better value for communities as a whole.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Paul Sweeney

That is really helpful. Building on what we have heard about the role of the third sector in promoting that sort of activity and how precarious the current financing is for many organisations in the third sector, could there be better and more robust reference in the plan to the interdependencies with the third sector and how an acknowledgment of them could drive delivery within community settings? Does anyone have any insights in addition to what has been said already?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Paul Sweeney

Do you think that the mental health impacts should be referred to more clearly in the plan?