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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 November 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

In that case, I thank the panel for coming in and answering our questions so thoroughly this morning. It is much appreciated.

I briefly suspend the meeting for a changeover of witnesses.

10:38 Meeting suspended.  

10:50 On resuming—  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

Are there any other opinions on that provision?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

In that case, it seems that there is dissent in the committee and I understand that you wish to press that to a division, Gillian. I will put the question and members can indicate verbally whether they are content.

The question is, that members are content for the committee to write to the Scottish Government indicating approval of its proposal to consent to the proposed UK statutory instrument. Are we agreed?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

We continue our scrutiny of the Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill with a second panel of witnesses, who are from organisations that are opposed to assisted dying. I welcome Dr Miro Griffiths, disability studies scholar at the University of Leeds, who is representing Not Dead Yet UK; Dr Gordon Macdonald, chief executive officer of Care not Killing; Michael Veitch, policy officer at Christian Action, Research and Education for Scotland; and Dr Gillian Wright, director of Our Duty of Care. Thank you all for coming. We will move straight to questions.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

The next item on our agenda is to take evidence from two panels of witnesses as part of our scrutiny of the Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. By virtue of rule 12.2.3(a), Liam McArthur is attending as the member in charge of the bill and I welcome him to the meeting.

We begin today’s scrutiny of the bill by taking evidence from organisations that are in support of the bill. I welcome to the committee Dr Gillian MacDougall, who is a trustee of Friends at the End; Professor Gareth Morgan, who is convener of the Scottish Christian Forum on Assisted Dying; Fraser Sutherland, who is chief executive officer of the Humanist Society Scotland; and Alyson Thomson, who is director of Dignity in Dying Scotland. We move straight to questions.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

Would panel members support the inclusion of additional safeguards for younger people, such as a requirement to undergo a specialist paediatric psychiatric assessment?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

Thank you, minister, for attending. We will now move on to agenda item 2. You are, of course, welcome to leave at this point or you can stay to watch the rest of the proceedings.

Under this agenda item we will formally consider, in the light of the evidence that we have just heard, the type 1 consent notification sent by the Scottish Government relating to the Food and Feed (Regulated Products) (Amendment, Revocation, Consequential and Transitional Provision) Regulations 2025.

If members are content for consent to be given, the committee will write to the Scottish Government accordingly. If that is the agreed approach, we will have the opportunity in the letter to raise any related questions or concerns or to ask to be kept up to date on relevant developments. However, if members of the committee are not content with the proposal, the committee may choose to make one of the three recommendations that are outlined in paragraph 13 of the clerk’s note.

I invite comments from members of the committee in the light of the evidence that we have just heard.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

Thank you.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

I echo the sentiments expressed by colleagues. The session last week was very effective. I certainly learned a lot from it, and I am sure that colleagues did, too. A perspective that I had not previously considered was the impact on young people of having a supportive structure around them, then, when they transition to adulthood, perhaps having that support removed. That might influence people’s outlook on life.

Similarly, there are issues around self-administration for people with significant disabilities. A number of interactions really helped me to understand the practical application of the bill as currently drafted. I appreciate that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

I thank the members of the panel for their contributions so far.

I turn to section 15 of the bill, on provision of assistance. Assistance is defined as

“providing the substance to end the person’s life, staying with the adult until they have decided they wish to use the substance or, removing the substance if they decide they do not wish to use it.”

The bill does not explicitly provide that the substance would have to be self-administered, but self-administration is stressed in the policy memorandum and explanatory notes.

As part of its written submission, MND Scotland has referred to its concern about whether the bill is sufficiently clear in relation to whether people with physical disabilities—with, for example, a progressive condition such as MND—who would find self-administration difficult or impossible, would have access to assistance. I wonder whether Susan Webster would start us off with concerns about the definition of “assistance”.