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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

As ESOL has been integrated with the adult learning strategy, it is delivered by colleges, but in partnership with community planning partnerships to ensure that there is local engagement and local tailoring.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

What I said was that asylum dispersal funding should meet all the services that require to be provided by the Scottish Government or local authorities, so—

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

I am speaking about the impact on services of having asylum seekers in a particular area. That comes with specific needs that come under reserved matters, but it also impacts on devolved services. Asylum dispersal funding must ensure that it is meeting the extra cost and service provision needed.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

I hope that you understand the reason why resources are pushed towards asylum seekers. In international law, no distinction is made, but there is a distinction for rights and entitlements in the UK. The difficulty is that people are being forced into destitution and that is where the limited money has to go. However, it is important to pick up on such points as we develop the refreshed new Scots strategy.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

We have managed to collect extensive data on where Ukrainians are moving to from the ship and where people are going and why. It is a lot easier to do that when they are all based on board the ship at first, with all the support services around them. Those statistics are being collected, and we have gained quite good insight for future planning in terms of how many want to go to Ukraine in the near future and how many are thinking much further ahead or want to leave Ukraine permanently altogether.

I am sorry—I have forgotten your second question.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

I point out that the supersponsor status for Ukraine is unique, so there is not parity because the Scottish Government does not have that formal role in respect of other immigration routes. We would, if we had the powers that we have been asking for to enable us to set our own controls over immigration and our own rights and entitlements for those who are seeking asylum or for refugees—but we do not.

The many successes of the Ukraine supersponsor scheme—including the support that has been offered to people who have arrived here under it and the partnership working with COSLA, local authorities and third sector partners—demonstrate what can be done if we take the approach of treating people with dignity and respect, allowing them the right to work and making sure that varied types of accommodation are available to them, based on their needs. We saw the working between local authorities—council representatives from across Scotland came on to the ship to speak to people living there about what was on offer in their area. That is a great demonstration of what can be done if we take the human rights-based approach.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

At the moment, colleges are working with community planning partnerships, because there will be different need and demand in different areas. Online training is a good example of that. There will be certain settings where it is difficult to get people into a room together, but in other places there are language cafes, which seem to work well for certain people—though not everyone—because the cafe is a relaxed, conversational, informal setting where some people are more able to pick up a language.

Because there are different kinds of ESOL provision, it is important that local communities can feed into that to ensure that provision is based on local need. That can be particularly true in rural areas; some people might prefer online lessons to travelling, although others might be unable to access online provision.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

We are doing what we can to support asylum seekers. We do not exclude people, although we have seen that attitude in other settings. We are inclusive, and asylum seekers can access Scottish public services such as the NHS, schools and the baby box. The member will know that, yesterday, we published our vision for the constitution of an independent Scotland. We would enshrine human rights for everyone in a written constitution.

We are trying to take that approach even now, as a devolved Government. Our human rights bill is out for consultation, and we are seeking views on how best to incorporate international treaties, as far as possible and within our devolved competence, into Scots law. We do not seek to treat people differently on the basis of how they got here or what their personal circumstances are.

A lot of work is going on at the moment across Government to embed that approach. All ministers must have that human rights-based approach in mind and we are embedding equality in everything that we do. There is no gatekeeping to prevent asylum seekers from accessing any of the devolved services that we provide, including the baby box, education or the NHS.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

Absolutely. It is important to keep remembering that, even though “new Scots” is an umbrella term for all different groups of migrants, the groups are not homogeneous—even among refugees and asylum seekers. They have various needs and expectations on arriving in Scotland.

On Hongkongers, theirs is the kind of lived experience that will be valuable when we shape the refreshed strategy. As we form the new strategy, we can absolutely engage with the people who have raised such concerns and ensure that they are taken into account. I hope that those people will feel that the next strategy is much more relevant to them, if they have managed to feed into the process.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

There has been engagement with Mears Group in the past. However, as Fulton MacGregor will appreciate, the Scottish Government does not have a place in the contract between the UK Government and Mears Group—it is entirely between them. The UK Government sets the criteria for the contract, and Mears delivers it. That said, the committee certainly has a place in scrutinising how the relationship is working and whether the contract is meeting expectations.

I will bring in Aileen Harding to say more about engagement by officials.