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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 May 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

I believe that various organisations, such as the Electoral Reform Society, are working on citizens assemblies.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much for that.

We have gone over time. I feel that it will be frustrating if we have this conversation next year. What has happened to the local government review that was in train but seems to have been lost in the weeds somewhere, and the “Democracy matters” process? Were they not about the third sector, local government and national Government trying to take the crowd with them? That was the process, but was it useful? Do we need to find the fire in that again or is it time to do something else? It feels as though we keep doing those reviews. As we have heard today, we keep writing different papers.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

I will bring you in at the end, Mark.

We move on to the issue of public service reform, although I know that we have already started to touch on that, and the Verity house agreement. I will bring in Miles Briggs, to be followed by Colette Stevenson and Mark Griffin.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is very helpful. That concludes our questions. Many thanks to the witnesses for joining us this morning and for your useful contributions. Let us hope that we can talk about something very different 12 months from now—that would be great.

As the committee previously agreed to take the next three items in private, and that was the final public item on our agenda for today, I now close the public part of the meeting.

11:33 Meeting continued in private until 12:34.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

The second item on our agenda is to decide whether to take in private items 4 and 5. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Ariane Burgess

I was about to ask whether we could be reassured that there was a budget line for the plan.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Ariane Burgess

I appreciated Christine Grahame’s line of questioning, which I found very useful.

At the round table with stakeholders, which was very useful, the stakeholders spoke about the importance of investment in and resourcing of regional fisheries governance and co-management structures. We heard from a number of people, so I will use a couple of examples to give a flavour of that.

We heard from Alastair Hamilton, who is a representative of the regional inshore fisheries groups network. He said:

“More local control would get community buy-in and increase compliance, because what is happening would be known, as opposed to what we have at the moment with the remote service.”

Dr Cook said:

“In America, they ensure that the evidence on which the management is predicated is shared so that, instead of presenting people with an assessment of scientific evidence and saying, ‘We’re going to do this—what do you think?’, they go in at a lower level where the industry itself is involved in preparing the evidence on which the management decisions are made. As a result, they get much more buy-in to the whole process.”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 4 September 2024; c 37, 50.]

I would be interested to hear what work is being done by the Scottish Government to review the existing regional networks, including by looking at co-management models in other jurisdictions to inform potential reform of regional fisheries management in Scotland. I add that we also heard about the fisheries management and conservation group and the sub-groups, and about the degree of frustration with the lack of movement in some of those sub-groups.

I am asking about co-management models and whether there is scope to increase investment and provide more local powers to support fisheries co-management. We have also been made aware of the models—I think that they are called inshore fisheries and conservation authorities—in England, which are based out of local authorities and have more of a focus on local control.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Ariane Burgess

What is the timescale for the call for evidence on looking at different models?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Ariane Burgess

Before I move on, I will stay on the theme of co-management and collaboration. It is important that the Government is looking at that work, because there are so many different fora, such as FMAC, RIFGs, national marine plans—and something else, I think. It is a very confusing landscape for people to engage with and know where they can go to get their voice heard.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Ariane Burgess

Finally, I am interested in understanding why the Scottish Government chose to spend money on appealing the Open Seas judicial review. That non-governmental organisation, and others, are concerned that it is trying to hold the Government to account for its obligations, and Open Seas won. Why is the Government not carrying out its obligations rather than spending money on appeals?