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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 May 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

It was really good to take the time and be walked through that. I know that everybody else wants to say more, but we just do not have the time. I apologise for that—and I have noted that we need more time for this evidence session next year.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

We are joined by our second panel: Shona Robison is the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government, is with Scottish Government officials Ellen Leaver, who is acting director for local government, and Ian Storrie, who is head of local government finance. I warmly welcome our witnesses and I invite the cabinet secretary to make a brief opening statement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

Will you give more specifics on how the work that you are doing on the fiscal framework will help to address the three shared priorities? I know that that is a big question in a way, but will you touch on the thinking about that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is good to hear.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much. I will bring in Mark Griffin, who joins us online.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

We appreciate you doing that, so that we do not have to go through a lot of processes that might not be used. I am aware that there are lots of things in legislation that end up not being used.

That brings us to the end of our questions. Many thanks for your contributions. It has been useful to get some of the detail.

We previously agreed to take the next item in private, but given the time, I am now going to close the meeting.

Meeting closed at 12:47.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

It has been an interesting morning.

I am moving on to the theme of the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee’s recommendations. In 2018, the REC Committee inquiry recommended that

“urgent and meaningful action needs to be taken to address regulatory deficiencies as well as fish health and environmental issues before the industry can expand.”

As I understand it, since 2018, more than 50,000 tons of biomass has been given planning permission, but data from the fish health inspectorate and SEPA shows that in 2022 and 2023, four times more fish died in salmon farms than in 2018. Numbers from the fish health inspectorate show that in 2018, there were 3,782,475 seawater and freshwater deaths, and in 2023, there were 17.4 million seawater and freshwater deaths—the figures are as provided in the Scottish Parliament information centre’s briefings. Those numbers are huge underestimates, as they do not include any fish that died in the first six weeks at sea, or any deaths under the FHI’s weekly reporting threshold. As we have been discussing, that is 1 per cent of the total fish in a sea farm per week.

Given the REC Committee’s recommendation that regulatory deficiencies, fish health and environmental issues needed to be addressed before the industry could expand, why do you think that the industry should be allowed to expand? Why is the industry expanding when the recommendation was that things needed to be taken care of that clearly have not been taken care of?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

It is great to hear that the industry is doing things to tackle the issues and, as we have heard, spending almost £1 billion to do so, including investing in the sea lice treatment vessels, pesticides and cleaner fish. However, the mortality rate between 2018 and 2023 clearly shows that those measures are not really working. I have heard the point that either Ralph Bickerdike or Ben Hadfield raised—I cannot remember who—about the changing conditions, with warmer seawater, el niño and la niña. However, those issues will not go away; they will keep coming back. The warming of the waters fluctuates and we are having to recognise and face that in many sectors across Scotland.

It was also interesting to hear from Constance Pattillo about bubble curtains and that kind of innovation technology but, to me, those sound—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

The committee has heard growing evidence that warmer sea temperatures due to climate change are a key cause of increased mortality and fish health issues. This morning, we have discussed the detail of that at length. The committee would be interested to hear whether open-net fish farming has a long-term future, given that sea temperatures are predicted to continue to increase, or whether the industry will need to move to semi-closed or closed containment.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

Salmon Scotland’s “Community Engagement Charter” says:

“We believe that salmon farming companies should take a ‘good neighbour’ approach with local communities by operating with transparency and integrity and adopting best practice methods of engagement”,

and that

“where relevant, we will engage communities in a vote to allow the local people to have a direct say in what is happening.”

It goes on to say that Salmon Scotland will

“Consider putting the decision to a community vote—it is the ultimate test of whether the case has been made for a site and has the support of the wider population.”

Have you ever put a vote to the community?