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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 July 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is to take evidence as part of our work on building safety and maintenance. We have about 90 minutes for this discussion. We are joined in the room by Murray Sharp, senior manager of housing at Clackmannanshire Council; Jackie Timmons, head of area based regeneration and shared repairs at the City of Edinburgh Council; Craig Dugdale, surveying manager at the City of Edinburgh Council; Louise Butchart, head of housing, construction and communities at Dundee City Council; and Gary Brady, city engineer in design and property services at Dundee City Council. We are joined online by Susie Fitton, policy manager at the Scottish Federation of Housing Associations, otherwise known as the SFHA; and Euan McCallum, acting housing assets manager at Angus Council. Welcome, everyone, and thanks so much for coming to help us to understand the issues.

We will go to questions. So that people who are watching are aware, I point out that some people on the panel are here to speak on issues relating to damp and mould, some are here to talk about RAAC—reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete—and some are here to speak on both. We will try to direct our questions to specific witnesses but, if you would like to come in, please indicate that to the clerk clearly. For those of you online, please indicate that you want to come in by typing an R in the chat function and we will bring you in.

There is no need for you to turn your microphones on and off—we will do that for you. For those of you online, there might be a bit of a pause before your microphone turns on. Do not worry about that. We know that that happens when folks are joining by Zoom—we are aware that there will be pauses.

I will start with a question on dampness and mould, which will be our initial focus this morning. The first questions are on tenants’ experience and landlord practice. I need to remember who to direct my questions to—this is for Louise Butchart and Craig Dugdale and for Susie Fitton or Euan McCallum, if they want to come in. We are interested in how the volume of tenants’ complaints about dampness and mould in their homes has changed in the past couple of years. Has it increased or reduced?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Great. We come to Gary Brady.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much. That has been a very helpful beginning. I will bring in Willie Coffey, who has a couple of questions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Before we go on, I warn people that we are about to close the windows, which makes a noise. I did not want it to be done in the middle of responses, because it is a bit loud. [Interruption.] There we go.

The next question, which I will ask, is about other ideas for improvement. Murray Sharp has already mentioned the actions that the Scottish Government and the Scottish Housing Regulator are taking, such as the issuing of guidance and the collection of monitoring indicators. Is there any other action that the Government could take to drive forward improvements in the prevention and treatment of damp and mould in homes?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

That seems like a great idea. When you gather that data, is it pulled together? Murray Sharp mentioned the use of AI. Are you using AI for analysis?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Okay. Euan, do you have any other ideas for improvement?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Is it also because people feel more encouraged to report the issue?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

I will add in another question. You talked about work such as rapid response teams and the difficulty in detecting mould spores. I am interested to hear a bit more about that. Now is your opportunity to go into that a bit more and talk about the best methods to treat the problems and how you are getting a better understanding of dampness, and therefore mould, in the stock of your housing association members.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Before we move on to discuss reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete—I have to say it in full, otherwise I do not remember which way round the As go—I come back to Murray Sharp. You mentioned that you had looked at the evidence that the committee heard last week. One interesting point from that was the call from Gloria Lo to look at solar thermal as a more cost-effective way of potentially getting heating into people’s houses. We heard that Government grants are focused—certainly in the private sector—primarily on air source heat pumps, and Gloria said that we may need to look at thermal solar as a low-cost way of heating, so those grants need to be opened up. Have you looked at solar thermal for social housing? Did you become interested in that after hearing what Gloria Lo had to say?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

We move to RAAC, and I will ask the first question. I cue up Jackie Timmons for that, as Gary Brady has been sitting here not saying anything, and I do not want to put him on the spot right off the bat.

Jackie, could you briefly describe the scale of the task that your local authority has faced in dealing with RAAC issues over the past couple of years?