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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 March 2026
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

That concludes our questions. Thank you so much. It has been a useful discussion this morning. We have evolved. It used to be Katie Hagmann here on her own with some officials, but it is a good mix to have SOLACE and CIPFA and Councillor Heddle as well. It has been a splendid panel this morning. Thanks for joining us. I will now suspend for a few minutes to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

11:04 Meeting suspended.  

11:09 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

I asked the previous panel about the time pressures, given that the autumn budget is coming later, which has a knock-on effect on the Scottish Government budget coming in mid-January. I want to get your thoughts about the pressure on local authorities, given that the budget will come in mid-January and they will have to do things such as putting out council tax notices at the same time.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Before I bring in Steven Heddle, I have a time management point for us all. We have asked about a third of our questions, but we have used up about two thirds of our time. We have about 40 minutes left, and I must ask for more succinct responses. Please indicate if you want to come in, and I will try to bring you in. It is not as if people are repeating what has been said—that has not been happening. Everything that has been said has been important; I just want to make sure that we are keeping to time as best we can.

Steven Heddle will come in on the IJBs, and then I will bring in Willie Coffey with some more transformation questions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Anyone else? No. Maybe Steven Heddle covered it well enough.

Could you clarify what you mean when you say that one of the things that you are looking for in the power of general competence is the ability to create revenue raising streams at a local level so that local authorities can choose what funding they might bring in through a revenue stream?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

I will move us on to the issue of a general power of competence for Scottish local government, which we asked members of the previous panel about. They were keen to say that they remain committed to pursuing the concept, and they talked about the potential opportunities that they might have in emerging areas such as green energy if they had such a general power of competence.

I recognise that the Scottish Government ran a consultation on the subject, which has concluded, but everyone who represents local government, including COSLA, is still keen to see progress being made in that space. What are your thoughts on that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that. It was a good point and good to hear the illustrations in your own local authority. We go back to Meghan.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

It is good to get that clarity. I certainly take your point from earlier that you are looking for a gearing effect in order to make local authorities aware of the opportunity that is before them.

I will bring in Evelyn Tweed now.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Again before the summer, we reached a point in the committee where we realised that, if we want some change, it will need to be started on early doors in session 7. I take your point that the revenue neutral approach is about fairness, which is what was managed in Wales. If it can be achieved in Wales, I would hope that we could reach that point here in Scotland.

I believe Meghan Gallacher might want a supplementary on this question.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Can I clarify something? You said that reform would not be likely to happen within a decade. Is that within this decade or within 10 years?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thank you.

Finally, I will ask a question that I did not have time to ask the previous panel. It concerns an issue that we have been hearing about throughout the whole conversation. I am interested in getting a sense of the progress that has been made on a monitoring and accountability framework, which was a commitment of the Verity house agreement.