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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 March 2026
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 18 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

We will have a few questions from Paul McLennan, then Willie Coffey will come in with a supplementary. We might go over time a little, but I think that we are okay.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 18 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

Good morning, and welcome to the second meeting in 2022 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. I ask all members and witnesses to ensure that their mobile phones are on silent and that all other notifications are turned off during the meeting.

The first item on our agenda is evidence on the draft of the fourth national planning framework, or NPF4. This morning, we will hear from Scottish Government officials. This is the first of five evidence sessions that the committee will hold on NPF4. I welcome from the Scottish Government Fiona Simpson, the chief planner, and Andy Kinnaird, head of transforming planning. Thank you for joining us.

We will move straight to questions. I will begin by asking Fiona Simpson, initially, to briefly outline how the Scottish Government engaged with communities and planning stakeholders in the development of the draft NPF4.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 18 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

No one is indicating that they want to speak, so I will bring in Paul McLennan, who wants to pick up on the renewables theme.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 18 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

It is helpful. I want to pick up on the local place plans, because the committee has some concerns about those, and we have heard concerns about them in talking with stakeholders. A statutory instrument just came to our committee on the issue. How will local place plans be respected and honoured if the local development plans are in place for 10 years? Three or four years into the period of a development plan, a community might realise that it wants some agency and input into how things are being shaped or the response to the climate and nature emergencies. How will that be respected and how will the community be given the power to have its say?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 18 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

The NPF4 takes a plan-led approach, and there is a lot of focus on planning departments. That is quite concerning, because we have taken evidence from planning stakeholders about the lack of resources. Do you think that planning departments have the required resources to cope with things such as life-cycle emissions assessments? They are already stretched and we will be asking them to do more. How can we ensure that planning departments have the proper funding and enough planners and specialists such as ecologists to look at the aspects that need to be considered? That is the other thing that we have heard about.

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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 18 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

Willie Coffey has questions about urban transformation.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 18 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

Okay. We will move on.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 18 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

I will come in with another question. Put an R in the chat box, Fiona and Andy, if you want to come in on this. Can you set out how the national developments that are included in NPF4 were chosen and how they will align with other Scottish Government policy documents? None of the national developments appear to feature in the infrastructure investment plan.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 18 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

Yes, please.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 18 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

I want to pick up on a couple of points. Fiona Simpson said that one focus of NPF4 is about growing the rural population. She also spoke about renewable energy supporting the rural population, because it will bring jobs. As a Highlands and Islands MSP, I am picking up a tension in that regard, which is more to do with onshore wind than with offshore wind. The places that happen to have a lot of wind seem to get a lot of planning applications for renewable energy schemes. I hear from people who have or are growing a tourism business that there is a tension between inviting people to a really beautiful Scottish landscape to enjoy their time in Scotland, and the need for renewable energy and planning applications. What help is there for thinking well about whether we concentrate renewable onshore wind in certain places? Is consideration being given to that?