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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 October 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for raising that interesting point.

We move on to the theme of a just transition.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Absolutely. There is the fabric-first approach, but we should not deal just with fabric; we must address everything together, as you said.

I welcome back Elizabeth Leighton—the technology still needs to be finessed. I asked whether, given the high up-front costs of retrofitting measures, which have long payback periods, the financial support that is in place is adequate. What are your thoughts from the Existing Homes Alliance’s experience?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for those responses.

We will move on to our third theme, which is public engagement and local communities. I bring in Willie Coffey, who is joining us online.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

I am thinking about how we can shorten supply chains and grow things here.

Did you encounter challenges with getting the project through planning or building control?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Given the speed at which we need to roll out retrofitting in Scotland, we might need to look into and address the area, to smooth things over somehow.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

I and a few others who are here today went to the Niddrie Road project, and it was great to see the work that is being done and the care in keeping the exterior at the front of the building. I also got the impression that a good deal of consideration had been given to making the interior environment more pleasant not just through the use of insulation but through the use of the space itself, and it was really great to see that there was an opportunity to do that.

Ken Gibb, do you have anything to add with regard to the purpose of the Niddrie Road project? You do not have to, but there might be something else that needs to be said.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Thank you. The next question is for Derek Logie. Please put an R in the chat box if I skip over anyone who wants to come in.

Are there specific cost implications for retrofit projects in rural and island areas? I am sure that there are, so I would love to hear more about those. How do the costs compare? Are the implications recognised sufficiently in existing funding?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

I represent the Highlands and Islands region. Are you aware of anything that is happening in more rural areas, or have we not gone there yet?

09:45  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

It is good to know that other things are happening. It feels as though we have so much work to do, so it is good to hear that there are examples out there. Thank you for drawing our attention to that other standard as well.

That is all that we have time for this morning. Clearly, we could talk more, but it was very good to see the building and the work that was being done, and I hope that people will have great homes when the project is done. Thank you for arranging the visit. It was good to meet you both.

I will suspend the meeting to allow a changeover of witnesses.

09:46 Meeting suspended.  

09:48 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Welcome back. We continue to take evidence on retrofitting housing for net zero. We welcome our second panel. Bruce Cuthbertson is the chairperson of East Ayrshire Tenants and Residents Federation, Aaron Hill is director of policy and membership at the Scottish Federation of Housing Associations, Bryan Leask is the chief executive of Hjaltland Housing Association Ltd and Derek Logie is the chief executive of Rural Housing Scotland. Thank you for joining us.

If you wish to respond to questions or to contribute to the discussion, please put an R in the chat box to indicate that. Unfortunately, we only have 45 minutes together, so we will probably direct our questions to specific witnesses. If you feel that something has not been said in response to a question, please come in, but do not feel that you all have to come in on every question. Clearly, we could speak to you all day on the issues, but we have a time limit.

I will start on costs and financing. I direct my question to Aaron Hill. Do you believe that the Scottish Government is sufficiently aware of the costs of retrofitting homes at the national level?