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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 October 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

I really appreciate that. That kind of detail that you are giving us—on the use of the word “unacceptable” in policy 19, for example—is very helpful for us, because we need to understand what you need to know and what people in the sector need to have spelled out so that we are all moving together on this in a good way.

I will bring in my colleague Miles Briggs, who has a number of questions for the panel.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you. That concludes our questions. I think that we have done a good job in covering a lot of ground. The witnesses have made good and important comments in response to our questions. It has been a helpful session. Thank you all for giving up your time and joining us today.

I will suspend briefly to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

11:02 Meeting suspended.  

11:06 On resuming—  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

This has been a brilliant and illuminating discussion that has given me clarity on some points about which I have been mystified. I have a few questions. I will ask them of you all.

Should the Government require public bodies to procure a minimum percentage of their food from suppliers that are based in Scotland, and a minimum percentage of their food from organic farms?

I will do a preamble to my next question. The response from Scottish Land & Estates to the committee’s consultation notes that

“consumers will need an understanding of what constitutes ‘good food’”.

We have touched on that already. It also states:

“This will require clear labelling and a greater understanding of the provenance of Scottish produce.”

I ask the witnesses for their views on the importance and practicalities of enhanced food labelling, which could include the product’s carbon footprint, the method of production for livestock products, whether the food is ultraprocessed and, potentially, other categories.

I am sorry that I am rattling through my questions. I hope that the witnesses get the gist of them. I can jog their memories.

My final question refers to the Scottish Food Coalition’s consultation response, which stresses the importance of aligning

“Government business and trade policy … with the Good Food Nation goals”,

so that business incentives never encourage movement away from the goals. Do Robin Gourlay and Geoff Ogle agree with that recommendation? Do any of the witnesses have suggestions for how that could be achieved in practice?

I ask Mary Brennan to start by picking up on those three questions. They are about procuring from Scotland, food labelling and business incentives that encourage the good food nation goals.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

I have asked all the questions that I wanted to ask, but I can certainly come in with more.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 18 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

That is good to hear, because a change in thinking and mindset underlies a lot of what we have to do in response to the climate and nature emergencies and equalities, and that really has to happen in the training. It will not necessarily just happen in people by themselves. It is therefore good to hear that that is being considered.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 18 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

We will have a few questions from Paul McLennan, then Willie Coffey will come in with a supplementary. We might go over time a little, but I think that we are okay.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 18 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

Good morning, and welcome to the second meeting in 2022 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. I ask all members and witnesses to ensure that their mobile phones are on silent and that all other notifications are turned off during the meeting.

The first item on our agenda is evidence on the draft of the fourth national planning framework, or NPF4. This morning, we will hear from Scottish Government officials. This is the first of five evidence sessions that the committee will hold on NPF4. I welcome from the Scottish Government Fiona Simpson, the chief planner, and Andy Kinnaird, head of transforming planning. Thank you for joining us.

We will move straight to questions. I will begin by asking Fiona Simpson, initially, to briefly outline how the Scottish Government engaged with communities and planning stakeholders in the development of the draft NPF4.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 18 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

No one is indicating that they want to speak, so I will bring in Paul McLennan, who wants to pick up on the renewables theme.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee (Virtual)

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 18 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

It is helpful. I want to pick up on the local place plans, because the committee has some concerns about those, and we have heard concerns about them in talking with stakeholders. A statutory instrument just came to our committee on the issue. How will local place plans be respected and honoured if the local development plans are in place for 10 years? Three or four years into the period of a development plan, a community might realise that it wants some agency and input into how things are being shaped or the response to the climate and nature emergencies. How will that be respected and how will the community be given the power to have its say?