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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 October 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for taking part in this session. Clearly, we could talk to you for a lot longer on this. We are just scratching the surface.

My question is about process. Your consultation will end at the end of March, as you said. What happens then? In the evidence sessions that I am doing in the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee, it is clear that there is some pull-through and some knitting together of some aspects in relation to clarity. I hear you saying that you do not want to be prescriptive and that you want to be flexible, but I also hear a lot of comments from planners who say that they want clarity. I am concerned about what the process is after the consultation ends on 31 March. This NPF is a draft. When do you expect to bring the final one to Parliament?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

I heard the minister talking about the understanding that all communities are different. However, NPF4 refers numerous times to remote, rural and island communities without acknowledging that there are significant differences between many of those communities. That concern has been raised in a number of the evidence sessions that I have been part of. Many of those communities are facing radically different circumstances. An example is the action area that covers the Western Isles, Orkney and Shetland. The point has been made to me that there are nuances in those areas and that they do not necessarily sit well together in that action area. How will the Scottish Government ensure that the diversity of the different parts of our rural, remote and island communities will be recognised through NPF4 and other policies that it proposes?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much—that was very helpful.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for being so succinct in your response.

I have a question on land assembly. Witnesses, including Planning Democracy and the Scottish Land Commission, have argued that NPF4 goals can be delivered only if the public sector takes a far more proactive role in land assembly and development. Do you agree with that and, if so, what needs to change for that happen? I am not quite sure who to direct that question to. Perhaps witnesses could put an R in the chat if they have a response and I will take a couple of responses.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much for making that pretty crucial point. I will take Pam Ewen, to be followed by Iain McDiarmid and Craig Iles.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for those two important points. We will absolutely take them on board.

I want to thank our witnesses for their evidence. I have had a lot of questions in my mind and we have already taken a lot of evidence, but I feel that this evidence session has really helped fill in some gaps. I am sure that my colleagues have found it very useful, too.

We now move into private session.

11:14 Meeting continued in private until 12:26.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

Once again, I am grateful for your specific examples on that point. Lastly, does Sarah Shaw want to come in on that question?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that. It is good to hear that perspective.

We will move on to discuss the minimum all-tenure housing land requirement, on which I will bring in Pam Ewen and then Sarah Shaw, initially. How do you think that the minimum all-tenure housing land requirement will work in practice? Is it clear enough? Will it direct new developments to where they are needed? A supplementary question that has come up in evidence sessions is whether we need to rethink how we do housing in Scotland in general.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

Sarah, did you want to come in?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

I will bring in Mark Griffin, who joins us on BlueJeans.