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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

The second item on our agenda is an evidence session that forms part of the committee’s work on retrofitting housing for net zero. We will take evidence from three panels this morning. The session will not by any means be the committee’s only one on the issue, but we hope to understand more today about the costs and funding of retrofitting; how retrofitting can be done in a way that considers a just transition; public engagement on retrofitting; and the skills, supply chain and infrastructure necessary for retrofitting.

I welcome our first panel. Professor Ken Gibb is director of the UK Collaborative Centre for Housing Evidence at the University of Glasgow, and Chris Morgan is an architect and director at John Gilbert Architects. Chris Morgan was involved in the project that we will discuss. I thank the witnesses for joining us.

We will move straight to questions. If the witnesses wish to respond to a question or to contribute to the discussion, they should add an R in the chat box to indicate that. We will possibly direct some of our questions to a specific person, but we will probably have a bit of time because there are just two witnesses. We have around 12 questions to get through.

We will start with Chris Morgan. Will you give a brief overview of the purpose of the Niddrie Road project?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that. It is good to hear the perspective from Shetland, with its high wind speeds and higher costs.

We move on to the just transition, which Elena Whitham will ask about.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Are you aware of any other EnerPHit projects that are tackling other types of housing stock in Scotland? It is not just about tenements, because there will be other housing stock.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that stark reality check, Bryan.

The next and final theme is infrastructure, which is fitting. We will spend about five minutes on that and, if the witnesses need to tuck something into their responses because they were not able to come in earlier, they are welcome to do so.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

I believe that we have lost Elizabeth Leighton for the moment, so I will ask another question, staying with Lori McElroy. I am curious to know what you think about private financing. Will that be required to roll out retrofitting on a national scale?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

I have another question for Lori McElroy, and perhaps Stephen Good can also answer it while we wait for Elizabeth Leighton to come back in. Given the relatively high up-front costs of some retrofitting measures, which have long payback periods, do you believe that the financial support that is currently in place is adequate? If not, what further support is required? We have touched on that already, but the missing piece is what we need to signal for things to move—to get the ducks in a row, as you said. What should we be doing?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for pointing that out.

My next question, which is on energy efficiency, is also for Chris Morgan. What type of energy efficiency and low-carbon heating measures are involved in the retrofit, and have you faced any technical challenges in designing and installing them?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

I am curious about the insulating materials that we saw on the back of the building. It is covered in a thick insulating material; I cannot remember what it is called. Is it wood fibre?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Mark Griffin, who joins us online, has a supplementary question.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

The question was about the high up-front costs of retrofitting measures, which have long payback periods. Given that, do you believe that the financial support that is in place is adequate?