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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 October 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Affordable Housing

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Ariane Burgess

Is anybody working with modern construction methods yet?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Affordable Housing

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Ariane Burgess

We are now joined by our second panel to discuss affordable housing. I welcome Steven Henderson, group director of finance, Wheatley Housing Group; Frank McCafferty, group director of assets and repairs, Wheatley Housing Group; Pam Humphries, head of planning and regeneration, North Lanarkshire Council; Tom Norris, managing director, Places for People Scotland; Colin Proctor, director, construction industry and delivery, Scottish Futures Trust; Neil Rutherford, senior associate director, housing and economic investment, Scottish Futures Trust; and Elaine Scott, head of housing strategy and development, City of Edinburgh Council.

Both the Wheatley Housing Group and the Scottish Futures Trust are represented by two witnesses with different areas of expertise. In the interests of time, I will be grateful if a single witness from each of those organisations responds to any given question.

It would be helpful if members directed their questions to a specific witness where possible, but I will be happy to bring in others who wish to contribute. If other witnesses wish to comment, they should indicate their desire to do so to me or to the clerk, please, and I will bring them in at an appropriate moment.

My opening general questions are to all the witnesses, although one witness from the Scottish Futures Trust and one from the Wheatley Housing Group should respond—they will have to divvy things up from across the room.

What are the challenges in delivering affordable homes in your area of operation? How are you addressing those challenges? Do you have any good examples to share?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Affordable Housing

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Ariane Burgess

You mentioned that community-led housing initiatives are able to provide different types of delivery. You described using derelict or vacant buildings as well as building new buildings. Would different types of delivery also include different types of tenure?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Affordable Housing

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much.

This has been a very useful conversation. We have gone from highlighting high-level matters such as land being a key issue to the question of infrastructure and the concept that housing is not just about building houses but about the place making aspect. In rural and island communities, the approach cannot just be about sticking up a whole load of houses; our witnesses have touched on the need for place making. We must ask ourselves how we can fund such aspects if there is money for housing but not for shared common spaces such as live-and-work settings. It has been fantastic to hear Mark Rodgers drill down into the figures and describe the reality of how we can fund housing when the cost starts to get up towards £250,000 per unit. There are also different challenges in places such as the Isle of Rum.

We are grateful to our four witnesses for giving us their differing perspectives, including Roslyn Clarke’s view on how the Applecross community has enabled aspects of housing there and Donna Birrell’s and Mark Rodgers’s perspectives on a slightly larger scale. Thank you so much for coming—I was about to thank everyone for coming in, but some of us have joined the meeting via Teams. It is very much appreciated.

I suspend the meeting to allow for a change of witnesses.

10:53 Meeting suspended.  

11:00 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Affordable Housing

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Ariane Burgess

I call Marie McNair.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Affordable Housing

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Ariane Burgess

On Donna Birrell’s comment, a company in Barra, in the Western Isles, is using modern methods of construction and will be supplying the houses for six of the smart clachans in South Uist. Building in a factory can be done on a small scale—I have become aware of quite a few companies across the Highlands that are delivering on a small scale, and it is really working for them. More discussion around that would be great.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Affordable Housing

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Ariane Burgess

Mark, do you have any further questions?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Affordable Housing

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you. Mark Griffin, do you have any more questions?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Affordable Housing

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you. Mark Rodgers, is the picture similar in Highland Council? How is it going there for you?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Affordable Housing

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you—that is helpful. The point is that we are seeing increased housing pressure in Inverness because people are having to leave rural areas. I take your point that we need to get the right houses in the right places. It seems like we need to drill down to another level and take that into account.