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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 December 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much. I move on to questions from Marie McNair, who joins us online.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thanks, Marie.

Minister, I have a question on your point about everybody having a role in success of this. The climate and biodiversity are at the forefront, and there is a need to move to a spatial strategy, which you mentioned earlier and which you have also mentioned in the past. I would add that maybe we are also facing a spatial squeeze. We heard something about that in relation to Edinburgh in Miles Briggs’s questions.

In the development of NPF4, do you have a sense that sectors that are involved in development—housing, for example—understand that they may need to change their business models? What I am starting to see across all my work in Parliament is that, in the need to respond to the climate and nature emergency, business models need to change, and we have to move from how things are being done now. We really need to consider how we will be doing housing and everything else 10 or 20 years from now. Do you feel that that collaboration is really happening in the sectors that will be putting in our infrastructure?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

I can see that NPF4 will be the core curriculum for all the new planners that we will be bringing on board. You have said a number of times now that it needs to be read as a whole, minister, so it will be a central document.

I call Paul McLennan.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you—that is very helpful.

Andy Miller has indicated that he would like to come in.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much. We will move to questions from Willie Coffey.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

I want to come back with a supplementary to you and Stephanie Fraser, because you brought up the fact that legislation already exists. Andy, you have just talked about the cost of bringing in the national care service. We have existing legislation, we have reports from Audit Scotland and aspects of existing legislation have not been acted on. I would love to hear a little more about why you think that that has not happened. Is it to do, in part, with a lack of funding?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

Nobody has indicated. Thanks, Miles.

I say again that members should direct their questions and allow the panel to indicate that they want to come in on that question. Please, everybody, keep your questions and responses succinct. We move to questions from Marie McNair, who joins us online.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thanks, Paul. We have come to the end of our questions. I thank you all for joining us and giving evidence today. It has been useful for the committee to hear your reflections on the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill.

We agreed at the start of the meeting to take the next two items in private. Therefore there is no more public business today, and I close the public part of the meeting.

12:59 Meeting continued in private until 13:38.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

The second item on our agenda is an evidence session on the national planning framework. From the Scottish Government we are joined by Tom Arthur, the Minister for Public Finance, Planning and Community Wealth; Fiona Simpson, who is the chief planner; Andy Kinnaird, who is the head of transforming planning; Cara Davidson, who is the head of environment and energy; and Carrie Thomson, who is the head of development planning and housing. I warmly welcome you all.

This might be the first time that we have all been in the same place during the national planning framework 4 process, which I know has been a great deal of work. It was around this time last year that it was being brought in, and it is tremendous to see that you have taken on board a great deal of feedback. This is such an important piece of work, as we look forward to shaping the next 10 years in Scotland in response to the climate and biodiversity emergencies. I also welcome Liam Kerr, who is attending in his capacity as a member of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.

I invite the minister to make a brief statement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much for that response. It is really heartening to hear the continued commitment to engagement and collaboration.

I will touch on resourcing and biodiversity, because I have heard you talk a number of times in conversations about NPF4 about the fact that climate and biodiversity is the headline that we are trying to attend to. Last week, Bruce Wilson, who is the head of policy and advocacy at the Scottish Wildlife Trust, said that there was a lack of resources to measure biodiversity and that that threatened the ability of planners and developers to understand what is at risk and how they must modify developments to safeguard biodiversity. The increased workload of that additional responsibility is further augmented by the shortages of planners across Scotland. Therefore, how will the Government ensure that local authority planning departments are resourced and supported to properly evaluate and monitor the impact of developments on biodiversity?