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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

I will speak to Liam Kerr’s amendment 131. I understand that the thinking behind the amendment is to avoid criminalising people who are genuinely walking their dogs and have lost control of them. However, as drafted, the amendment would make conviction for genuine offences even more difficult. The Scottish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals says that the amendment would create an obvious loophole, because every poacher could claim that their poaching was not the intended use of the dog.

The end of section 1 already makes clear what is required regarding the control of dogs. Rather than create clarity, amendment 131 would give offenders yet another excuse that they could hide behind. Even the Law Society of Scotland acknowledged in oral evidence in June 2022 that that can be used as a loophole. Police Scotland explained in written evidence that hare coursers will often claim that they let their dog off the leash for exercise or to go to the toilet and that it chased a hare of its own free will. We cannot afford to open another loophole, or the bill will soon consist of more loopholes than legislation, when it is attempting to close down loopholes from 2022. I urge members to vote against amendment 131.

Edward Mountain’s amendments in the group, which propose the removal of protection for rabbits, weasels, stoats, mink, polecats and ferrets, would make it permissible to hunt those creatures with dogs. During stage 1 evidence, we heard from Chief Superintendent Flynn that the suffering of all animals that are attacked by a dog will be the same. They are sentient beings, so they will suffer. All animals deserve our respect and humane control methods. I cannot support the amendments.

Rabbits are specifically covered by amendments 58 to 62. The committee has considered the matter at length and I am satisfied with the evidence. We have heard that rabbits should be defined as wild mammals in the legislation in order to prevent the creation of a loophole for hare coursing and for the welfare reasons that I have just outlined.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

I will not take an intervention.

I think that the imperative is to ensure that the legislation, when it is passed, does not allow exceptions to become loopholes, which would undermine our intention to uphold animal welfare standards. For those reasons, I will not support amendments 58 to 62.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

I will pick up on the point about mink. The mink projects in Scotland do not use dogs, and the mink population should be controlled under the environmental benefit exception.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Annual Report 2021-22

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

Item 2 is to take evidence on the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman’s “Annual Report 2021-22”. We are joined by Rosemary Agnew, who is our ombudsman; Niki Maclean, who is the SPSO’s director; and Andrew Sheridan, who is the SPSO’s head of improvement, standards and engagement. I welcome our witnesses. Before we move to questions from members, I invite Rosemary Agnew to make a short opening statement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Annual Report 2021-22

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much. It was good to hear your opening statement and have you flag up the increasing complexity of legislation and the workloads that I imagine might come out of that.

You closed with the piece about complaints. It is good to hear that you do more than work on complaints, but I would like to focus on complaints. The committee would be interested to hear about the 17 per cent increase in public service complaints that the ombudsman received between 2020-21 and 2021-22, as noted in our papers. You touched on that a little. Will you expand on the reasons for that increase? Have new trends been identified in the recent case figures?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Annual Report 2021-22

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

That certainly is good news. I definitely agree that the direction of travel is right. The committee discovered on your website that the waiting time was 10 months last week and that it is nine months this week. As you said, if we were at the end of this week, it would be eight months. We wonder about that. If people see on the website that the waiting time is nine or eight months, could that deter them from complaining? Is there a way to parse that a bit more so that people understand it? Does the website have something that allows people to understand that there is a fast-track process so that, in a good number of cases, the period can be 12 weeks?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Annual Report 2021-22

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that. I will now bring in my colleagues.

I am sorry—I think that Willie Coffey has a quick supplementary first.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Annual Report 2021-22

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

I call Willie Coffey, who has a number of questions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Annual Report 2021-22

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

I was interested in your comment that it might be time for a refresh of the model complaints handling approach.

I call Paul McLennan.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Annual Report 2021-22

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

It is useful to hear that there is a potential route. Is there anything other than the human rights bill that could result in your getting the powers in this parliamentary session?