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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 November 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for going into a bit more detail. Next, we will hear from Cliff Hague.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

We will move to questions from Annie Wells, who is online. Annie, are you there?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that. I hope that, with the work that is being done on the new deal, we can get that clarity and that alignment.

I will come to Robert Emmott first with my next question, which is about the letter from the directors of finance to the Deputy First Minister. It states that, over the past five years,

“local government has delivered a range of new policy initiatives which have not always been fully funded over the longer term”.

Robert, I would be interested to get your perspective on that, and I would then be interested to hear from our other witnesses if they have things to add. Which policy initiatives in particular have been delivered by councils? What impact have they had on local authority finances?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

We agreed at the start of the meeting to take the next two items in private. I now close the public part of the meeting.

11:52 Meeting continued in private until 12:21.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

With our second panel of witnesses, we will focus on local government finance and potential fiscal arrangements under the new deal for local government.

We are joined in person by Martin Booth, who is executive director of finance at Glasgow City Council and chair of the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy’s Scotland branch, and Kirsty Flanagan, who is executive director at Argyll and Bute Council and chair of CIPFA’s local government directors of finance section. We are joined online by Robert Emmott, who is executive director of corporate services at Dundee City Council. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting.

The COSLA president told the committee that councils are facing

“probably the most worrying set of challenges that we have seen in local government for many years.”—[Official Report, Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee, 13 December 2022; c 36.]

Do our witnesses agree? If so, what specific challenges are facing their local authorities and the communities that they serve? We will start with folk in the room.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that, and thank you for bringing in the point about capital.

I said that that was the final question, but I invite anyone to come in with anything that we might not have covered and which we need to hear about.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you. Flexibility is certainly an issue that is being talked about a lot.

Willie Coffey has a number of questions to ask.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much.

I will ask the initial questions. You touched on this a little, but we would love to get a little more detail. The committee is keen to understand the 2023-24 budget impacts on local government. The commission noted in the financial bulletin the Government’s position that the settlement sees a cash increase of £570 million—you mentioned that in your statement. However, the bulletin also acknowledges the position of the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, which is that, once national policy commitments are taken into account, the increase is only around £70 million. That figure has recently been revised to £38 million. What is the Accounts Commission’s view on those figures? How can both interpretations be correct?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks. We will definitely take a further look at the principles that you outlined.

I also like the question that you posed earlier about whether councils are stewards of place, which is certainly coming up in relation to the national planning framework. We are talking about place making and 20-minute neighbourhoods, so that is an interesting element. It feels like there are some points that we need to join together more.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you. As of yesterday, the committee has started a series of inquiries into the community planning partnerships. You mentioned partnerships but you did not mention those particular ones. It is interesting that, in talking to communities, they feel that they are not at the table with councils. Potentially, there is another opportunity there as well as working geographically with fellow councils. We have this element in the local governance review, and it seems to me that the third part of the new deal is about that relationship with the third sector and with the community, which needs to be picked up. Potentially, we have an opportunity, with the review of the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015, to bring in that element.