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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

It is great to hear that they still do books but that there is also the idea of stacking functions in a building and a space that is open to the public.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

Okay. That is helpful—Covid funding is part of the issue.

The committee would also be interested to hear the commission’s view on the letter in which the directors of finance sought an additional £1 billion of funding for next year. The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government told the committee that that request

“was just impossible ever to meet.”—[Official Report, Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee, 17 January 2023; c 24.]

The committee will hear from three directors of finance on the next panel. As the public spending watchdog, what is the commission’s view on that request by the directors of finance?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

We move to questions from Annie Wells, who joins us online.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that. The Accounts Commission highlighted a real-terms increase in Scottish Government funding to local government in the 10 years since 2013-14. In 2023-24, there is again a real-terms increase compared with equivalent budget figures for 2022-23. I would be interested to hear why local government argues that a settlement of £13.2 billion for local government is not enough. What more is required?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that, and thank you for bringing in the point about capital.

I said that that was the final question, but I invite anyone to come in with anything that we might not have covered and which we need to hear about.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

We agreed at the start of the meeting to take the next two items in private. I now close the public part of the meeting.

11:52 Meeting continued in private until 12:21.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

With our second panel of witnesses, we will focus on local government finance and potential fiscal arrangements under the new deal for local government.

We are joined in person by Martin Booth, who is executive director of finance at Glasgow City Council and chair of the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy’s Scotland branch, and Kirsty Flanagan, who is executive director at Argyll and Bute Council and chair of CIPFA’s local government directors of finance section. We are joined online by Robert Emmott, who is executive director of corporate services at Dundee City Council. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting.

The COSLA president told the committee that councils are facing

“probably the most worrying set of challenges that we have seen in local government for many years.”—[Official Report, Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee, 13 December 2022; c 36.]

Do our witnesses agree? If so, what specific challenges are facing their local authorities and the communities that they serve? We will start with folk in the room.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

We will move to questions from Annie Wells, who is online. Annie, are you there?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that. I hope that, with the work that is being done on the new deal, we can get that clarity and that alignment.

I will come to Robert Emmott first with my next question, which is about the letter from the directors of finance to the Deputy First Minister. It states that, over the past five years,

“local government has delivered a range of new policy initiatives which have not always been fully funded over the longer term”.

Robert, I would be interested to get your perspective on that, and I would then be interested to hear from our other witnesses if they have things to add. Which policy initiatives in particular have been delivered by councils? What impact have they had on local authority finances?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Shark Fins Bill

Meeting date: 25 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

When will you have the opportunity to raise that?