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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much.

I will ask the initial questions. You touched on this a little, but we would love to get a little more detail. The committee is keen to understand the 2023-24 budget impacts on local government. The commission noted in the financial bulletin the Government’s position that the settlement sees a cash increase of £570 million—you mentioned that in your statement. However, the bulletin also acknowledges the position of the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, which is that, once national policy commitments are taken into account, the increase is only around £70 million. That figure has recently been revised to £38 million. What is the Accounts Commission’s view on those figures? How can both interpretations be correct?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you. Flexibility is certainly an issue that is being talked about a lot.

Willie Coffey has a number of questions to ask.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

We are beginning to stray into the area in which I have questions that I am keen to ask. Bill Moyes, in relation to the financial bulletin, you stated:

“If they are to find a safe path through the difficult times ahead, councils need to focus more on service reform”,

and you said something similar when you were in the committee previously.

I have a couple of questions on that. What more can the Scottish Government, the Parliament and COSLA do to assist with that process of reform? Do you have any specifics in mind? I have never been a councillor—although some of my colleagues here have—so I would like to know what you are getting at when you refer to reform.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

That brings us to the end of our questions. I thank the witnesses for coming this morning—it has been very useful to get your perspectives in a bit more detail.

10:35 Meeting suspended.  

10:42 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

We have a few supplementary questions on the back of that. I will bring in Mark Griffin to ask about savings targets before Paul McLennan takes us back to our favourite topic of ring fencing.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

Robert, when you want to comment, please type the letter R in the chat function. However, I will bring you in now if you want to add anything to what has just been said.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

Good morning, and welcome to the third meeting in 2023 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. We have received apologies from Marie McNair, who is a member of the committee. I remind all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are on silent and that all other notifications are turned off during the meeting.

The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take items 4, 5 and 6 in private. Do members agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

Under item 2, the committee will take evidence from two panels of witnesses on local government fiscal arrangements. In the first session, we will focus on “Local government in Scotland: Financial bulletin 2021/22”, which the Accounts Commission published recently. For our first panel, we are joined by Bill Moyes, who is chair of the Accounts Commission, and Andrew Burns, who is a member of the Accounts Commission. They are accompanied by Carol Calder, who is audit director at Audit Scotland, and Blyth Deans, who is senior manager at Audit Scotland. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting.

Before we open up the session to questions from members, I invite Bill Moyes to make a short opening statement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

Robert Emmott, what about in Dundee?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government Fiscal Arrangements

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Ariane Burgess

I am going to ask what might be the final question. During the earlier panel, I was talking to Bill Moyes about his statement about the need for councils to focus more on service reform to find the safe path through difficult times ahead. I am interested to know what you think when you hear about reform. I asked for specifics earlier but perhaps you have some thoughts about that that will help me to understand what he was getting at. Martin Booth has been nodding his head.