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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Planning Inquiry (Post-legislative Scrutiny of the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015)

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Ariane Burgess

You are on mute at the moment. We will get your microphone on for you.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Planning Inquiry (Post-legislative Scrutiny of the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015)

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Ariane Burgess

We will move on to our next theme, which is community empowerment. Mark Griffin is leading on that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Planning Inquiry (Post-legislative Scrutiny of the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015)

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is to take evidence on the community planning inquiry. This is the final evidence session before we reflect on all the evidence that we have heard in recent months and consider what conclusions we might draw from it. A final report will then go from the committee to the Scottish Government.

We are joined for this session by Joe FitzPatrick, Minister for Local Government Empowerment and Planning. Mr FitzPatrick is joined by Scottish Government officials Andrew Connal and David Milne, who are both team leaders in public service reform and community planning.

We are joined online by Councillor Steven Heddle, who is vice-president of the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities. Councillor Heddle is joined, also online, by Simon Cameron, chief officer, and Lucy Devlin, policy assistant, of the workforce and corporate policy team of COSLA. I welcome all our witnesses this morning.

We will try to direct our questions to a specific witness where possible, but if you would like to come in, please indicate so to the clerks. Councillor Heddle, you can do that by typing R into the chat function, and then we will bring you in. There is no need for witnesses to manually turn their microphones on and off, as we will be doing that automatically for them.

I invite the minister to make a brief opening statement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Planning Inquiry (Post-legislative Scrutiny of the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015)

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Ariane Burgess

That is fine.

I will come to the minister. I have focused on community wealth building, because that is my passion at the moment, but I have a general question about the role you see CPPs having in the proposed community wealth building bill, as well as in relation to Covid recovery and the new deal for local government.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Planning Inquiry (Post-legislative Scrutiny of the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015)

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Ariane Burgess

The question was about funding. Did you hear it or do you want me to ask it again?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Planning Inquiry (Post-legislative Scrutiny of the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015)

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Ariane Burgess

It is good to hear that about community wealth building. My sense is that there is a buzz in Scotland and that people are already pushing the process as they are eager to get on with a tremendous opportunity. It is also great to hear about the work following our experience during the pandemic. You talked about dynamic working, and it is great to hear that that experience has fed into changes and adaptations.

Councillor Heddle, I believe that you want to come back in. After that, we will move on to the next theme.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Ariane Burgess

That is probably something that we should take away. We should reflect seriously on the idea of food being part of our national security, given how events have brought that idea to the fore.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Ariane Burgess

Is anyone else able to take that question? Maybe no one else was paying attention because I said that it was for David. Will livestock production be more at risk from climate change than other farming sectors, because of heat stress in animals and a shortage of forage? If that is the case, how can the sector adapt to climate impacts while minimising its contribution to climate change?

It seems that those questions were too geeky for people. Brilliant—we have some takers. We will hear from Morgan Vaughan, then Tim Benton.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that response. I will move on to question 4, on resilience, if that is appropriate. My question follows on from what Tim Benton was just saying. I am sorry if that muddles things up, deputy convener.

I will stick with Tim Benton, because you said that you could talk about this all day. You have touched on this, but it would be good to continue with the idea of food security. The papers for today’s meeting make it clear that ecosystem resilience affects food security and the resilience of farm businesses, which you have been talking about.

Our nation’s ability to continue producing food and feeding our citizens depends on working within planetary boundaries. You have described two ways of doing that: intensive farming and working with nature. What do we need to see in our agriculture and land use policy, including in the agriculture bill—which I keep coming back to, because I really want us to get it right—and what should be the criteria for support in the future payment framework in order to ensure long-term food security? What do we need to see in the payment systems?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Ariane Burgess

Yes. My question comes back to questions around ecosystems and food security in Scotland. I will direct it to Morgan Vaughan and Ian Boyd-Livingston. In the papers that we received for today’s meeting, there is the statement that

“agroecological approaches can provide sufficient nutrients for healthy diets without impinging on natural habitats”.

However, we are told that

“these assumptions imply systemic change which, while possible, would require significant political and social shifts, and shifts in production systems to support e.g. more fruit and vegetable production.”

What do we need to see in the bill or in the criteria for support payments to incentivise the required political and social shifts and a shift towards more fruit and vegetable production?