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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Something that I always come back to is how we get more people to engage with community councils. I made a note that says, “How local is local?” We need to have that conversation, and we may talk about that in the committee. Having a universal basic income is not necessarily an ideal approach, but I wonder whether it would be a way to get more diversity at the very local level on our community councils, because people would have some foundational income to enable them to serve their community.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

This might be a radical idea for reform, but I was in conversation with somebody about forestry. We spoke at length and, several times during that conversation, we came back to local government reform. One of the points was that local authorities might own more land, perhaps for forestry or agriculture. Again, that ties into the community wealth building agenda. That may be a radical idea, because we do not do that. We tend to look at that more at the national level. We have talked about the need for a more local and nuanced approach. In that conversation, we kept coming back to the point that that is an opportunity. Local authority-owned forestry could be an income generator, and it could provide timber for housing. Has there been any thinking around that kind of approach? I know that we have the common good land, but that has evolved in a slightly different way. Certainly, locally to me, a lot of that land is a golf course rather than for other things.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that. Does anybody else want to come in on that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

From being on the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, I am aware that there are regional land use partnerships. In my region, Highland Council is involved in the regional land use partnership. It feels like that is another step in the direction of looking at land use.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that. That is really helpful. We will keep an eye out for that work.

It is clear that it is about more than housing; it is about the full support package to help people. One thing has been flagged up to me in my region in conversations about housing. When I talk to people about “affordable housing”, they say, “We need housing that people can afford.” It would be good to have a look at what we mean by that. In the committee, we discuss affordable housing—housing that people can afford—at the local level, as salaries and incomes may be very different across the board.

Another thing that we have been looking at is whether the housing need and demand assessment is fit for purpose. You have pointed to the importance of councils understanding the need in their area to bring forward the right type of housing.

Thank you very much. It has been a super morning. The evidence has been really helpful for us, and we appreciate it.

I now suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:37 Meeting suspended.  

10:41 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Most people do not understand that that is as much as a straight-up councillor gets as their salary. I am interested to hear what Reform Scotland would like to see in the forthcoming legislation. There is the local democracy bill and, as I mentioned in the previous evidence session, the community wealth building bill. What are the opportunities there?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Good morning, and welcome to the 17th meeting in 2023 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. We have received apologies from Annie Wells and Marie McNair. I remind members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are on silent and that all other notifications are turned off during the meeting.

Under our first agenda item, we will decide whether to take items 4 to 7 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Under agenda item 2, we will take evidence on the recent Accounts Commission report, “Local government in Scotland: Overview 2023”. We are joined by Andrew Burns, a member of the Accounts Commission, and Tim McKay, its interim deputy chair. We are also joined, from Audit Scotland, by Carol Calder, audit director; Antony Clark, executive director of performance audit and best value; and Lucy Jones, audit manager.

I invite Tim McKay to make a short opening statement before I open the meeting to questions from members.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

I do not know what the salary is at the moment. I think that it is around £19,000 per year.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that. That was a very interesting discussion. I now have a greater understanding of your thinking behind that.