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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 November 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is to take evidence from three panels of witnesses as part of our pre-budget scrutiny. I welcome our first panel. We are joined, in the room, by Sean Baillie, who is from GMB Scotland, and Linda Somerville, who is deputy general secretary of the Scottish Trades Union Congress, and, online, by Johanna Baxter, who is the head of local government at Unison. We were also due to hear from Graham McNab, who is the local government officer at Unite, but, unfortunately, he has been unable to join us.

We now turn to questions from members. We will try to direct questions to specific witnesses where possible, but if you would like to come in, please indicate that to the clerks, or, if you are joining us online, as Johanna is, type R in the chat function.

I have a broad opening question, which I will direct initially to Linda Somerville. Will you highlight the main challenge that you believe that the local government workforce currently faces?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Linda Somerville gave a comprehensive response, but Johanna Baxter and Sean Baillie are welcome to come in if they would like to add anything.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much for that. In a previous answer, Robert Emmott mentioned the heat maps for his council’s workforce planning, which seems like an interesting process. Do all councils do that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you. I really appreciate your getting those figures, because what we have uncovered today is that, when you parse things, you start to get a fuller picture of what is going on. Would anyone like to add anything on that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

That is helpful.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

I would be also interested to hear about some of the key ways in which the new deal with local government could support local authorities in addressing workforce challenges.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Well, that is part of the work that we are doing, is it not? We will see what fruit tree we get later on.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

I will bring in Pam Gosal.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

For our second panel we are joined in the room by Martin Booth, who is the executive director of finance at Glasgow City Council, and Paul Manning, who is the executive director of finance and corporate resources and deputy chief executive officer at South Lanarkshire Council. We are also joined online by Robert Emmott, who is executive director of corporate services at Dundee City Council. I welcome you all to the meeting.

We turn to questions from members. As previously, we will try to direct questions to a specific witness where possible, but if you would like to come in, please indicate as much to the clerks. Robert, as you are appearing virtually, please type an R into the chat function. There is also no need to operate your microphones, as we will be doing that for you automatically. Sometimes there is a bit of a pause before the microphone comes on, but we are aware of that.

I will begin with the same general question that I asked the previous panel—and I will direct it to you first, Martin, as you know it is coming. I am interested in hearing you highlight what you believe to be the main challenge for the local government workforce at the moment.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Minister, you have talked throughout the session, and just now, about the fact that this measure is part of a package of 99 measures. I do not know whether you are bringing forward, or have agreed to, all of them; that is not the point of my question. You have also talked about the relationships that you have had with land managers and professionals and practitioners on the ground in going to meet with them and discuss the issues.

It may be challenging for the committee, because we are looking at just a few of the measures in the package that you are talking about. When you go to talk to those practitioners and land managers, are you discussing those pieces as part of the whole package? Do the practitioners and the land managers understand that there are a number of measures that are going to come through over time, and do they see those bits as part of the whole, which we are perhaps not seeing?