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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 October 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

There will be a division.

For

Burgess, Ariane (Highlands and Islands) (Green)
Gallacher, Meghan (Central Scotland) (Con)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Stewart, Alexander (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)

Against

Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Roddick, Emma (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Stevenson, Collette (East Kilbride) (SNP)

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

There will be a division.

For

Burgess, Ariane (Highlands and Islands) (Green)

Against

Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Gallacher, Meghan (Central Scotland) (Con)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Roddick, Emma (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Stevenson, Collette (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Stewart, Alexander (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

There will be a division.

For

Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Gallacher, Meghan (Central Scotland) (Con)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Roddick, Emma (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Stevenson, Collette (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Stewart, Alexander (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)

Abstentions

Burgess, Ariane (Highlands and Islands) (Green)

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

The question is, that amendment 406 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

I call Emma Roddick to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 230.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

The second item on our agenda is day 7 of our consideration of the Housing (Scotland) Bill at stage 2. I welcome the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice and her officials.

Members who wish to speak should indicate that by catching my or the clerk’s attention. Voting will be done by a show of hands, and it is important that members keep their hands clearly raised until the clerk has recorded their names.

After section 51

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thank you, convener, for your warm welcome to the committee.

The Green amendments in the group seek to strengthen the provisions on land management plans. Amendment 338 is the most critical and strengthens the duty on landowners from being one of simply preparing land management plans—which I am going to call LMPs so that I do not have to tongue twist “land management plans” a lot—to one of actually implementing LMPs. If plans are prepared but just languish on the shelf, no progress will be made in giving communities a greater say in how land is actually used and it also hinders large landholdings being managed for climate and nature, an idea that was central to the Government’s public consultation in 2023. We certainly cannot have that loophole in the bill.

My amendment 337 would increase the time period to be covered by an LMP from five to 20 years. If, as the Government intended when it consulted on the bill, LMPs are to be a key tool in delivering progress on climate and nature targets, they must take into account the fact that many actions require longer timescales. It could be a decade before some actions begin to produce positive effects for climate and nature, so having longer-term LMPs would mean that climate-positive actions would have time to come to fruition and would be less likely to be chopped and changed every five years. My amendment 311 is consequential to that and my amendments 313 and 314 would ensure that LMPs would still be reviewed every five years, with communities being consulted on developments and revisions.

Finally, my amendment 316 would add a requirement for landowners to submit a report to the land and communities commissioner at the five-year point, ensuring that there is oversight of plans being delivered across 20 years.

I will comment briefly on some other amendments. I am certainly supportive of Bob Doris’s amendments 16, 17 and 20, and probably his amendment 33. I would be interested in understanding why Rhoda Grant believes that amendment 312 is needed and will listen carefully to what she says about amendments 335 and 340 to understand their purpose.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

I am delighted to join Mercedes Villalba in suggesting that to Douglas Lumsden.

Another interesting aspect that is in play is that the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Act 2024, which some of us worked on, requires there to be a whole-farm plan. As my colleague Mark Ruskell pointed out, there is enthusiasm and energy among farmers, but there is also a requirement for whole-farm plans to be produced. The work, data and information are already there. Land management plans will ask for that information to be shared with neighbouring communities so that they can have a say, be involved and feel that they have a connection to what is happening on the land around them.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

Amendments 3 and 4, alongside amendments in later groups, seek to lower the threshold to 500 hectares. That would bring significantly more land into the scope of the bill, furthering Scotland’s progress on land reform. I recognise that the cabinet secretary said that that could happen at a future date and that the Scottish Government is keen to monitor the situation with the threshold set at 1,000 hectares. However, the Scottish Land Commission’s research suggests that 93 per cent of land sales are for areas that are greater than 500 hectares, so that would be a proportionate change to the threshold.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

As I have just said, the Scottish Land Commission’s research suggests that 93 per cent of land sales are for areas that are greater than 500 hectares, so it would be a proportionate change to the threshold. It would also increase the number of landholdings that we would require to produce land management plans, which would give more communities a voice in the management of local land. We believe that that is at the heart of it.

I am grateful to Mercedes Villalba for her work on thresholds. Over the years, she has bought the issue strongly into the public discourse, and I am grateful that she will support my amendments 3 and 4. I note that the Government’s amendments would reduce the threshold to 1,000 hectares, and I understand that the cabinet secretary has lodged amendments to harmonise the thresholds of 3,000 hectares and 1,000 hectares for simplicity’s sake. I appreciate that it makes sense to have clarity and one threshold for everything.

To go back to our earlier conversation about the national concentration of land ownership, I do not want to put words into her mouth, but I believe that what Mercedes Villalba is trying to get at is the concern about land that is under the threshold being owned by the same landowner but being scattered all over Scotland. We absolutely need to address that and bring it into scope, although not necessarily in the bill. However, I would like to hear the Scottish Government’s assurances about what we can do to address the issue.

I understand all the relevant aspects, such as compulsory sales orders, compulsory purchase orders and the community right to buy review, but we need to address the issue collectively and find a way forward. It is not necessarily about more communities taking ownership of land; it is about how we address the issue of aggregate holdings and, in a way, their power over Scotland.