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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

My question is for anyone who wants to answer. Are there any new support schemes that you would like to be created? For example, I am aware that, at the moment, owners who have land of 3 hectares or less are not eligible for any form of support, although there is quite strong demand for support for things such as market gardening. Do you agree with the idea of supporting such owners, or are there other schemes that would be good and that might help us to meet our nature and climate targets?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

I will direct my question to Dave Reay. I might be making some assumptions in it, but let us see. I have just been scrolling through the agricultural reform list of measures, which is long and contains a lot of detailed agriculture policy work. I could make the assumption that the rural support plan will be based on those measures. If that is the case, will that plan, when it is published, deliver the climate mitigation and adaptation that we will need to meet our climate targets?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

I will roll a number of questions together. Part 2 of the bill gives ministers powers to establish new funding and support systems for Scottish agriculture, include determining conditions, eligibility requirements, guidance, capping, refusing or recovering support and declaring exceptional market conditions.

Some folks have already touched on bits of detail on the tiers and the split on those, but it would be helpful to hear witnesses’ thoughts about the level of detail in the bill and any particular powers around those support measures. Does the bill give you confidence that the new agricultural support system will deliver for nature and climate? We have touched on that already. Is the information on the anticipated future funding splits—the tiers that are set out in the financial memorandum—adequate?

Again, this has been touched on, but anyone else can come in on it: what are witnesses’ views on the power to cap agricultural payments? What are the pros and cons of capping, tapering and front loading?

Of course, we also want to ask you about parliamentary scrutiny of the use of the powers in part 2 of the bill, the overall shape of the new agricultural policy and monitoring and evaluation, which seems to be our favourite topic today. There is a lot in those questions, so pick up anything that struck your imagination as I went through all that. Who would like to start off?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

I have a brief supplementary on the tier system. Vicki Swales may have touched on this already. From last week’s round-table session, I understand that the idea is that we will have a tier system that might start out in one way in 2025 or 2026—whenever it is—but will evolve as farming practices change, and money might need to move into different tiers. Is that the idea?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

That is really helpful. I look forward to seeing those slides because it would be helpful to see that scenario illustrated.

As someone already mentioned, this is an interesting morning on which to take evidence because the budget is about to be announced. We will be even more informed, in a few hours, as to what is going on.

I will bring in Pam Gosal with a question.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

Absolutely.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

Good morning, and welcome to the 31st meeting in 2023 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. Please note that we have received apologies from Mark Griffin.

I remind all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are on silent.

The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

That more nuanced approach is very interesting. There might not be only one way to approach the relationship. Instead, depending on the issue or policy, there could be different ways to do things, either by funding an agent or by supporting a democratically elected partnership. That is very helpful.

Donna Hall, do you have any thoughts about rebuilding trust or any experience of the relationship between national and local governments in other parts of the world?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

I come back to Jonathan Carr-West. You did some research that involved talking to council leaders. However, in my understanding, the Verity house agreement is an agreement between the Scottish Government and the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities. That is where the communications happen, and then COSLA has a way of communicating with the leadership of local authorities.

Do you have any communication with COSLA around communications and what is happening there?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that. As I said earlier, there is work being done in the Scottish Government around council tax reform. I would say bring it on, as soon as possible.

We move to questions from Marie McNair.