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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

So the register is not a point in time; it has an inherent process within it.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Mervyn, what are your thoughts on enhancing PAS 9980? What do we need to do?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is helpful. We come back to the scope of the bill. We heard from the previous panel that we need to move forward but that we need to be aware that more legislation might need to be introduced to handle those other pieces or to deal with the whole building.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Is there another way round that? You might need to write to us about that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

The second item on our agenda is to take evidence from two panels of witnesses on the Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill, with the first session taking the form of a round-table discussion. We are joined in the room by Phil Diamond, who is the managing director at Diamond and Company, Jocelyne Fleming, who is the policy and public affairs officer at the Chartered Institute of Building, Gary Strong, who is the head of professional practice at the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors, and Kate Swinburne, who is the associate director at OFR Consultants. We are joined online by Alan McAulay, who is building standards hub pilot director at Local Authority Building Standards Scotland, and Jim McGonigal, who is joining us from the Institution of Fire Engineers. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting.

I will begin our conversation by inviting everyone to introduce themselves. I am Ariane Burgess, a member of the Scottish Parliament for the Highlands and Islands region and the convener of the committee.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is very helpful.

Phil Diamond, have you been able to engage?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

If the ability to go into the building to remediate all those things that you listed had been in place as part of the pilot, you would have gone ahead with that to demonstrate a whole experience of a building being completely remediated. Is that the idea?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

That has been a helpful opening discussion on the scope of the bill and what it includes and what it does not include. Some interesting points have emerged.

We will move on to questions from Willie Coffey.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

I am getting confused. We talked earlier about the scope of the bill, and now we are talking about PAS and whether that is what we would want to use. Does PAS just look at fire safety? Earlier we were talking about the need to look at cladding in order to move that forward, and now we are talking about PAS, which looks at the whole fire safety of a building. Am I getting that right?

Do we want to use PAS to look at the whole building, but use the triage approach that Phil Diamond suggested to get on with the cladding part of it, while we understand that there are other pieces that we might need to come back and do? Could you explain a bit more?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Will you say a little more about the difference between data capture and a survey?