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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much. We will certainly go into more detail on the areas that you have highlighted.

I would like to start by asking a question on tenant experiences and landlord practice in the space of damp and mould. The committee has heard from witnesses that there is still evidence of a culture of blaming tenants when they report problems of dampness in their homes to their landlords, despite guidance advising against that.

I am interested in understanding how the Scottish Government can support the dissemination of good practice and embed cultural change among landlords in this area.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

Alan Johnston, just before you respond, I will tuck in a supplementary question. How does the Scottish Government’s approach differ, or not, from that of the UK Government, which was able to reach an agreement with developers?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

As I said, I have a few remaining questions. The Scottish safer buildings accord was launched almost three years ago, and yet the main element, which is the developer remediation contract, is yet to be signed by a single developer. I would be interested to understand what sticking points have prevented agreement between developers and the Scottish Government.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is very helpful. Thanks for flagging up the green paper consultation, which is quite interesting. To what extent does the Scottish Government engage with that kind of consultation? Are you contributing to it in some way?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

Okay, that was very helpful—thanks.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

Great. Thanks for that. We are going to move on to the topic of reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete, and I will bring in Mark Griffin.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

Okay. So it is still a work in progress.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

Yes, that is fine.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is evidence as part of our work programme on building safety and maintenance. This morning, we are joined by Paul McLennan, the Minister for Housing. He is joined by Scottish Government officials Alan Johnston, deputy director of cladding remediation; Stephen Garvin, deputy director of building standards; and Ruth Whatling, housing standards team leader, better homes.

We have a number of questions to ask. I will begin—if I can find my question sheet.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

It is good to get that clear. I want to bring in an overarching topic that we discussed when we took evidence in our first session on cladding, many years ago. I think you will remember it, minister—it was an unusual session in the Burns room.

A few things came up. One idea was to have a kind of MOT around the maintenance and operations of buildings, and that buildings need to be regularly checked. The other thing that came up at the time was how we track what materials are being used in buildings. The discussion demonstrates the difficulty of going back to find the buildings, putting out the open call, getting people to come forward and identifying the problem areas. Is that something that the Government is looking into or would consider looking into?

Also, what action could we take—this came up in evidence—to prevent developers from using experimental or inadequately tested materials as a potential cost saving as part of whatever they are developing? How do we make sure that developers build buildings with materials that we can say are future proof, so that safety is inbuilt in the first place?