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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

You can come back to it.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Okay, but do you have any sense of the timing? You do not want a certain date, but will it be within a certain number of years or a certain—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

I might not have picked you up correctly, but part of my question was about new schemes or new versions of schemes. I guess that this touches on Alasdair Allan’s question, which was about the Scottish statutory instruments. Is it your intention to create entirely new regulations to govern those schemes? If so, how will the powers be set out and how are you going to use them in your work on the rural support plan?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

That would be very welcome. The clear message that I get is that we need to pay strong attention to the route map, because that is telling us where we are going.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

I will just continue my point for now, because I am collecting my thoughts here. It is interesting to note that the BTO data has already been used, because I am going to reference it. It is an interesting piece that highlights that we can use data in different ways. My approach here is a precautionary one.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

The data that I have refers to moorland birds in the English, Welsh and Scottish uplands.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is right, is it not? I have information from NatureScot about breeding seasons and dates here. It is interesting that we can all use and cite the same data but come at it in a different way. As I said, my amendment seeks to take a precautionary approach and future proof the legislation. I understand that other amendments would shorten the season by only two weeks. I will listen carefully to the minister’s views.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

I listened carefully to your comments on my amendment 154. I am satisfied by your assurance that the methods to minimise damage will be explored through the muirburn code and training requirements, so I will not move my amendment.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

My amendment 154 would impose a new condition where a licence is granted in relation to peatland, requiring the person who is undertaking muirburn to do so in a way that minimises the damage to the peatland. As we know, healthy peatland is a vital resource in our efforts to reduce our climate emissions, as it locks up carbon.

The evidence base on muirburn and wildfires is contested, as we have already heard this evening. I remain concerned that escaped fires from muirburn could contribute to wildfires in Scotland’s uplands, creating risk to wildlife and habitats and risk of serious carbon emissions from damaged peat.

My amendment is a probing one. It seeks to require people with a licence to make muirburn on peatland to do so in a way that limits damage to the peatland. For example, studies in protected areas of Ontario in Canada have shown that burning peatland in linear strips can be effective at creating natural firebreaks in the landscape. Such an approach limits the damage to thin strips, whereas burning large patches of peatland is more common in Scotland.

My amendment does not prescribe that particular approach, as other similar methods are, no doubt, available. Rather, the intention is that the muirburn code would focus on muirburn methods that can be shown to minimise the damage to our important peatlands.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

It is great to hear that there is a small producers pilot fund, which I understand to be worth about £1 million. However, there are 40,000 small producers—people who operate at the scale of a croft, on under 3 hectares, and sell at market gardens—who really need support. How do you define small producers? What size of land being farmed are you talking about? We need to be really clear about that. I have talked to people who call themselves small producers but have 70 acres.