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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4 (Annual Review)

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

We do what we can in the committee to help with that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4 (Annual Review)

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

Certainly. With one drop into a busy curriculum, how do you get that follow-through? I have a sense that any young person who is concerned about the climate and nature emergency should go into planning because they could have a great effect there.

Mark Griffin has a question.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4 (Annual Review)

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

Those two questions were about climate, nature and biodiversity policies, but I will pull in a piece around rural house building. You have talked about community-led development and development in rural areas. I will bring in Donna Young on this as well, because of her Rural Housing Scotland hat. As far as you can see, are the policies supporting rural house building and the placemaking aspect, especially where there is a need to support significant economic and infrastructure development? If not, what needs to change?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4 (Annual Review)

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thanks. We have a couple of supplementary questions on the MATHLR. Mark wanted to come in; he is joining us online.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4 (Annual Review)

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

Your point about the need to relearn urban living is a good one. There are some great examples of that. Moray Council is leading on a very good example in Elgin, with a bit of town centre regeneration that will be mixed use. We also have a fantastic example in Dumfries, where there is community-led mixed use, including housing, in the Midsteeple Quarter.

Donna, what are your thoughts on the balance?

12:00  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4 (Annual Review)

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for bringing up that point. We definitely need to look at it with a wider scope.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

Okay. We will take that idea away and look at it.

The committee previously agreed to take the next three items in private. As that was the last public item on our agenda for today, I close the public part of the meeting.

12:15 Meeting continued in private until 12:19.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

I move on to penalties. In its written evidence, the Sustainable Inshore Fisheries Trust set out three concerns about the way in which penalties are dealt with in the SSI. I asked about the first two last week, and I will raise the third point now.

SIFT highlighted that sheriffs tend to impose

“very low penalties ... for fisheries offences under similar legislation.”

It goes on to say that, while the maximum penalty for MPAs is £50,000 in theory,

“imposed penalties tend to be between £2000 and £3500 in practice.”

SIFT is concerned, therefore, that the maximum penalty of £50,000 would not be applied to REM offences either.

SIFT has been calling on the Scottish Government to develop sentencing guidelines; I have raised that with you several times, cabinet secretary. What actions will the Scottish Government take

“to ensure that penalties reflect the seriousness of the offence”,

as SIFT puts it, including the damage, or risk of damage, to vulnerable, valuable ecosystems during our nature emergency?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

Before I come to my question on penalties, I would like to pick up on the compliance piece a little bit more, because we have already focused quite a bit on the pelagic piece. The national marine plan’s sea fisheries objective 9 requires

“Management of removals”—

that is, the total catches—

“where necessary, through fully documented fisheries.”

In addition, the result of the recent Open Seas Trust court case confirmed on appeal that the Scottish ministers are legally required to consider the impacts of harmful fishing on the environment, and that they

“must act in accordance with”

the national marine plan. Given that finding, I am interested in understanding whether the Scottish Government will now incorporate analysis of the data from REM systems in its process for licensing scallop dredging, so that it can ensure that it is acting in accordance with its legal duties under the national marine plan.

10:15  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

Do you have a timescale for that?