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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 November 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Portfolio Priorities and Cladding Remediation Programme

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

It is great to hear that that is your perspective but, in my region, a lot of the housing is being delivered by communities because of that gap, so maybe there is work to do to fill it. There are situations in which community-led housing has been built with fantastic partnerships with housing associations, registered social landlords and so on. The community might do the development, but an RSL then takes a couple of the properties to house people. We need to look at why communities end up having to lead this; on the other hand, it is good that those communities are getting the housing that they need.

I would welcome you looking into that and seeing how we can get to a point at which local and national Governments are facilitating that better. I go to plenty of meetings where I hear about the many years for which a volunteer board has had to work to deliver maybe two houses, although those houses are crucial because they transform the community from a bedroom community into a thriving, full-featured community with kids in school.

10:45  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Portfolio Priorities and Cladding Remediation Programme

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

People have given evidence to the committee on taking a more nuanced approach to need. If people do not see social housing in their community, they do not think to come and say, “We need it.” That is a gap.

I will move on to heat in buildings. I am interested in hearing about a few practical things, and then I will bring in a couple of colleagues with questions. What are the timings for the expected heat in buildings programme of work, including the energy performance certificate regulations, the regulations that require private landlords to meet defined energy efficiency standards, the social housing net zero standard and the proposed heat in buildings bill? We look forward to that with anticipation.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Portfolio Priorities and Cladding Remediation Programme

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Given that we will do some scrutiny on the climate change plan, it would be helpful to know how the UK warm homes plan would impact the climate change plan.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Portfolio Priorities and Cladding Remediation Programme

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Yes.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Portfolio Priorities and Cladding Remediation Programme

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is fine.

Another question popped up when you mentioned net zero. When we had the housing minister in post, a lot of work was done around the fact that we have a massive roll-out of renewable energy in the Highlands and Islands region and that a lot of worker camps and housing will need to be put in place in order to unlock that economic potential. Some of the discussion was around whether there is an opportunity for that housing to become legacy housing for rural and island communities. Have you picked up on that and had conversations with the renewables sector about it?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Portfolio Priorities and Cladding Remediation Programme

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is an evidence-taking session from Màiri McAllan, the Cabinet Secretary for Housing, on the progress of the Scottish Government’s cladding remediation programme and on her portfolio’s priorities. I welcome her warmly to her role. It is good to have her in our committee room, and we look forward to our conversation today.

Ms McAllan is joined by three Scottish Government officials: Matthew Elsby, deputy director of the better homes division; Stephen Lea-Ross, director of cladding remediation; and Jess Niven, interim deputy director of heat in buildings policy and regulation. I welcome them all to the meeting.

We will go straight to questions, and I will start. Members have a number of questions and interests, but the initial set of questions will focus on the cladding remediation programme. The pilot phase of that programme was launched in 2021 and I would be interested to understand whether that has now ended, what the results of the pilot were and what lessons have been learned to inform future action.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

You have all already touched on this subject. In response to our call for views, the industry emphasised the need for robust scientific evidence and on-going monitoring, called for adaptive management and transparent decision making, and highlighted gaps in data, especially for static fisheries. I would be interested to hear your views on the scientific assessments that were used to inform the proposed measures. Do they adequately reflect the nature and intensity of your fishing activities?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Could that happen sooner than six years?

11:30  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

We have heard the concerns that David Anderson voiced around static gear not being included appropriately in the consultation process. I am interested in the other witnesses’ perspective on static gear. From what we have heard, even methods that are considered lower impact can still add pressure when used at scale. How do you see the industry balancing that with the need to protect ecosystems, so that fishing remains viable in the long term?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

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