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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

That brings our questions to a conclusion. It has been very helpful to hear from the witnesses this morning. Before I suspend the meeting, I invite Mark Griffin to declare his interest.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

I welcome our second panel of witnesses: Lyndsay Clelland is a policy officer at Age Scotland; Dan Wilson Craw is the deputy chief executive of Generation Rent; Aoife Deery is a senior social justice policy officer at Citizens Advice Scotland; Ellie Gomersall is the president of the National Union of Students Scotland; Eilidh Keay is a tenant of a rented property; and Emma Saunders is the national organiser of Living Rent.

We turn to questions. There is no need for you to operate your microphones. We will do that for you. I have a couple of general opening questions. The first is about your thoughts on the Scottish Government’s statement that the bill

“contains a package of reforms which will help ensure people have a safe, secure, and affordable place to live.”

I would be interested to hear your thoughts in general on the extent to which the bill will deliver those aims. Who would like to go first, or shall I pick on someone? I will call Eilidh Keay then Aoife Deery.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that bit of detail.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

Dan Wilson Craw and Emma Saunders have indicated that they want to respond, too.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

Alex, do you have anything to add?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

You have inspired a supplementary question. The committee is keeping an eye on petition PE1778, which is about the landlords register scheme. The petitioner has stated that the scheme is “not fit for purpose” and that there is no scrutiny of whether an applicant is a “fit and proper person”. The petitioner explains that

“there are no checks carried out by any relevant Authority”

on, for example, whether the landlord is in possession of an up-to-date gas safety certificate for the property, unless a lack of proper documentation is brought to the attention of the local authority.

Would it be helpful to address the “fit and proper person” aspect in the bill? Deborah Hay, you are nodding, so I will go to you.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is great. We will now talk about the subject of rent. Pam Gosal has a couple of questions on that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

Good morning, and welcome to the 19th meeting in 2024 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. Please note that apologies have been received from Stephanie Callaghan. I remind all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are in silent mode.

The first item on our agenda is to take evidence on the Housing (Scotland) Bill from two panels of witnesses. On our first panel, we are joined by Joshua Davies, who is programme manager at Nationwide Foundation; Anna Evans, who is the director of Indigo House Group; Deborah Hay, who is a senior policy adviser at the Joseph Rowntree Foundation; Professor Ken Gibb, who is director at the UK Collaborative Centre for Housing Evidence, which is based at the University of Glasgow; and Professor Alex Marsh, who is a professor of public policy at the University of Bristol.

I welcome the witnesses. There is no need for you to operate your microphones, as we will do that for you; it is one less thing for you to have to think about while you are talking. I will start with a couple of overview questions. Members will direct some questions to specific witnesses, but I would like to hear from all of you on my opening question. We would be interested to hear a brief overview of your research work and key points that might be relevant for the consideration of the Housing (Scotland) Bill. I will start with Deborah Hay.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

Is there anything specific that you want to tease out and highlight?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

What sense do you have of the balance between the rights of tenants and those of landlords in the bill?