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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 July 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

Good morning, and welcome to the 32nd meeting in 2024 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. Willie Coffey and Mark Griffin are joining us online today. I remind all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are on silent.

The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take items 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

Willie Coffey, who is joining us online, has a number of questions for you.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

We will stay online and go to questions from Mark Griffin. If you can take all of your questions in one go, Mark, that would be great—I mean, in your turn.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is a good question to consider.

Now that we have come to the end of our questions, I just want to say that I appreciate your coming in and sharing your perspectives. This year’s process has been interesting, as we have taken a somewhat deeper approach instead of just hearing from the ombudsman on the basis on her reports. It has been a helpful and enriching process, certainly from the point of view of our hearing that the office needs more powers in order to do its work.

Before we go on to our next item, I briefly suspend the meeting to allow the witnesses to leave the room. Thank you.

11:30 Meeting suspended.  

11:32 On resuming—  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

He is the man for the job.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

Okay. If I can just wrap it up—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

I recognise that. However, I am trying to flag up an issue. We have this route map and we are making changes, and we have to move towards, as I said, the objective of

“on-farm nature restoration, climate mitigation and adaptation”.

However, I meet farmers who are coming up against financial difficulties because they cannot do what they want to do. At this point, I am just flagging that up, and perhaps asking for reassurance from you that you will take the matter away and have a look at the Weeds Act 1959.

Otherwise, we will be building a house of cards. We have legislation that is out of date and we are passing SSIs to try to get cross-compliance, and we will find that that causes problems for people who want to move in the direction that the 2024 ARC act asks them to do.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

Yes, but we need to get underneath it, because we are basically building—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

The conversation on the SSBSS has been very interesting. I would like to pick up on the good agricultural and environmental conditions scheme piece of the Scottish statutory instrument. I am not going to directly pursue this SSI, because I appreciate that it is improving the prevention of damage to peatlands and wetlands, but I will pursue the underlying legislation that the SSI is built on.

We just passed the 2024 ARC act—I love that we call it that—which includes, as an objective,

“the facilitation of on-farm nature restoration, climate mitigation and adaptation”.

In speaking to farmers, I have found that they want to move in that direction, but they bump into situations where they cannot get funding to do the things that they want to do on nature restoration because the funding schemes have not caught up.

The specific SSI that we are discussing, and the GAEC—good agricultural and environmental conditions—scheme in particular, build on the Weeds Act 1959. The 1959 act mentions a number of plants that are now recognised as beneficial. In 1959, they were weeds, and we had to get rid of them, but we now recognise that they are important for soil biology. Those plants include, for example, spear thistle, which produces quantities of nectar for, and entices, insects; creeping thistle, which is, again, important for insects; and docks, which are important for insect habitat and for soil biology.

Where I am going here is that, because the SSI is about cross-compliance, we need to look a bit deeper at what these SSIs are built on. I would love to get some assurance on that. Can the Weeds Act 1959 be devolved? Does the Scottish Government have domain over reviewing it, so that plants that we call weeds but which are in fact beneficial could be removed from the legislation? That is the type of thing that farmers are coming up against in trying to get funding. They might want to do something beneficial, but they cannot get funding, because those plants are still designated as weeds.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much.