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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 October 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is a really important point. I like that you made the connection between your point that people who are experienced in dealing with social work cases really understand the nuances of such cases and the fact that AI uses a great deal of power. You also connected that point to the need to tackle the climate emergency.

I will bring in Alexander Stewart to ask about workforce issues.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

I believe Fulton MacGregor has some supplementary questions on workforce issues. Fulton, you were going to ask about AI; I think that we have covered that quite sufficiently, but there were some questions on digital literacy, too. If you wanted to pick those up, that would be great. [Interruption.] I hope that Fulton is there—he did indicate that he wanted to come in on this.

We will park that and come back to it. Evelyn, if you could ask your questions, that would be great.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Okay. I see that Fulton MacGregor has joined us again. Fulton, do you want to pick up the questions about collaboration and the union’s involvement in public service reform?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

When we went to Orkney a few years ago, we talked to Orkney Islands Council about the single authority model. It will be interesting to see how that develops there and in the Western Isles. That might help because services would be delivered within one organisational structure. That might make sense for local authorities of that size and scale. However, I totally hear what you say about local democracy, autonomy and so on.

I will bring in Fulton MacGregor to ask a final question and maybe some other things will bubble up. It is a good conversation. Come on in, Fulton.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

All right. That would be interesting to know. Have you been involved in the work on the invest to save fund? A pot of £6 million has been made available for local authorities to bid into. The idea is that, with a bit of money—

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

I have told you about some more doors that you need to go and knock on.

This has been a really good conversation. At the risk of making your jaws drop, I would be interested to hear your thoughts, from a workforce point of view, on a four-day working week. It is a difficult financial climate, but there is a direction of travel on that issue. Is there any hope of us ever getting there? It seems to me that we might not have enough people coming in in the first place to enable us to move to a four-day working week.

Both of you might want to come in on that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is an interesting point. There is lots of detail that we could dig into, but, on a general level, it has been helpful to get a positive response from you on that issue.

That concludes our questions, although I could ask more, so rich has the conversation been. Thank you very much for your contributions.

As the committee previously agreed to take the next items in private, that concludes the public part of the meeting.

10:53 Meeting continued in private until 11:30.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Decisions on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thank you.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Fulton MacGregor is with us. He has always been with us, but we have had a bit of a technical issue in getting him up on the screen and getting his microphone turned on. It is good to see you, Fulton. If you want to come in on anything—[Interruption.] His image is gone, so I will keep talking and hope that he is still there. Is there anything that you want to pick up on workforce issues, Fulton? If you could then ask your remaining questions, that would be great. No? Okay, then I will pick up those questions.

We are interested in understanding—in the context of transformation, but it is connected to the workforce—the need for training in digital literacy to ensure that our workforce is capable of navigating changes and challenges. I hear the backdrop of suspicion that is out there, but, AI aside, there are tremendous opportunities with digital literacy. I wonder what your thoughts are on that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Yes, Fulton—we covered that area sufficiently. We bottomed that one out, I would say. If you could move on to collaboration and involvement in the public service reform board, that would be brilliant.