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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 September 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Inshore Fisheries Management Improvement Programme

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

I will ask about something else that has been coming out of this conversation. You have the call for evidence and consultation, and you talked about the challenge of engagement with fishers. The convener talked about the economic aspect, and I am talking now about the environmental aspect and creating a low-carbon economy, which is in the fisheries management strategy. To what extent do the people who you are trying engage understand that there is a fisheries management strategy, that there is certain legislation that we are all trying to do this work under, and that we have signed up to restoring 30 per cent of Scotland’s seas by 2030, which is not that far away?

Do you see what I mean? You are inviting people to engage, and it is all broadly open, but do they understand that it the strategy sits within legal and statutory requirements when they respond to the call for evidence?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Inshore Fisheries Management Improvement Programme

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is good to hear.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

“Local government in Scotland: Financial bulletin 2023/24”

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Certainly.

I move on to the settlement. After a generally positive settlement for local government in the recent budget, as you acknowledged, both your bulletin and the recent Local Government Information Unit survey provide important reminders of the challenges that local authorities face, which you touched on. I am interested in understanding whether the challenges that local authorities face have changed since you first spoke to the committee.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

“Local government in Scotland: Financial bulletin 2023/24”

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

It would be great if you highlighted those points to us as they come up.

Willie Coffey has more questions in this area.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

“Local government in Scotland: Financial bulletin 2023/24”

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

I am going to pop back to Willie Coffey for a question on pension funds.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

“Local government in Scotland: Financial bulletin 2023/24”

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

That can be a challenging position for someone to be in. It is great that you have reached out to the chief executives and auditors. As you say, that is—

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

“Local government in Scotland: Financial bulletin 2023/24”

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Exactly—it is what you can do.

I want to take a moment to explore best value. The definition from the Accounts Commission states:

“Best Value is about ensuring that there is good governance and effective management of resources, with a focus on improvement, to deliver the best possible outcomes for the public.”

That is what you are all about. All morning, we have been talking about the fact that councils are really under pressure. I will mention a kind of case study as an example. In my region, the council has said that it has to close a community centre for various reasons, and there has been an outpouring from the community. That comes back to the point that Jo Armstrong and Emma Roddick touched on about involving communities in what is going on. There is clearly a passion for that community centre—people use it, and it is well loved.

I wonder what the scope of best value is. We have talked about the financial aspects, but there is a social-glue aspect as well. In the past, way before we had plumbed-in water, people would all have met at the well and had their chats and so on. That is what that community centre provides. To me, there is something about best value that goes beyond the financial aspects; it is about creating a place where people have contact with one another, which is becoming increasingly important. We have understood that point since coming out of Covid, when people had a tremendous experience—not a tremendous experience; a terrible experience—of isolation and the impacts of that.

How do you see best value? Do you take that issue into account when you are thinking about things such as efficiencies, changes and transformation?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

“Local government in Scotland: Financial bulletin 2023/24”

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is helpful. It is interesting that communities are taking councils to court over some things.

On participatory budgeting, we have talked previously about the fact that what we are seeing in Scotland is more like participatory grant making, and that we need to move to participatory budgeting.

Earlier, you spoke about different models of practice. Do you see a future in which people understand enough about how their services are delivered and the challenges that councils face that they can engage in a genuine participatory budgeting process?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

We previously agreed to take the next items in private.

10:57 Meeting continued in private until 11:29.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

“Local government in Scotland: Financial bulletin 2023/24”

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much for that. We move on to public service reform and the Verity house agreement, and I bring in Mark Griffin.