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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 May 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Gillian Mackay

I will go back to what Dr Wright said about the feeling of being a burden. I know that, towards the end of their lives, my grandparents felt like a burden regardless, and I do not think that anything would have resolved that. When I think about whether I would want an assisted death, feeling a burden would always be part of that consideration, but it would not necessarily force my hand one way or another. It is about how we divorce those feelings of being a burden, which I think are a natural human emotion at the point of needing such care, from the question whether that feeling has coercive capacity for those who are seeking an assisted death. It is actually about how, as a clinician, you drill into that and divorce the two from each other—how you divorce that coercive impact of feeling a burden from real coercion.

You spoke about taking a whole-family look, which witnesses in a previous session suggested as well. It is about looking not only at the individual but at the wider family dynamic. Is that something that you would want to see? I acknowledge that, ideologically, you are opposed to the bill, but if it was to go ahead, would you like to see a soft-touch whole-family evaluation, to make sure that coercion was detected?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Gillian Mackay

Other than what Fraser Sutherland has just mentioned, does anyone have any suggestions for any other safeguards around coercion—in either direction—that they would like to be included in the bill?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Gillian Mackay

We had a private session with a group of people with learning disabilities who were concerned about coercion and were equally concerned about the need to be taken seriously if they were to decide to opt for an assisted death. Dr McDougall, could you give your perspective on how we balance having stringent safeguards around coercion and feelings of being a burden and so on with the need to take people with disabilities seriously when they make that choice?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Gillian Mackay

Are there any specific flaws that the witnesses wish to identify in the safeguards against coercion that are set out in the bill?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Gillian Mackay

I go back to the question that I asked about a whole-family assessment. Do you believe that such an assessment should be done?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Gillian Mackay

Yes.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Gillian Mackay

No.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Gillian Mackay

They are worried that the potential for coercion has become such a big issue that people might think that all disabled people are being coerced into opting for an assisted death. If they decide that they want an assisted death, they want their feelings to be taken seriously, on their merits.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Gillian Mackay

Thank you.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Gillian Mackay

We should not be consenting to the SI for a number of reasons. The divergence from alignment with the EU, as I outlined in my questions to the minister, is a big concern. As Brian Whittle said in his questioning, the only piece that we seem to be removing from the puzzle is the 10-year re-authorisation. At the moment, those come to the Parliament as SSIs. Removing that process would remove parliamentary scrutiny of whether we want those chemicals to have another round of 10-year authorisation and whether we want them in our food environment. Taking that power away from the Parliament would be regrettable. We would also, potentially, not see the authorisations for new feeds coming to the Parliament. On that basis, we should not be consenting to the SI.