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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 April 2026
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Gillian Mackay

Before we set any hares running with relatives, we must be clear that that has not yet come out of the bill, which is still as it was when it was introduced at stage 1. No amendments have been passed.

Do you believe that that should remain in the bill, or is it your position that that aim should be delivered elsewhere?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Gillian Mackay

Good morning. We have been discussing a few of the things that everybody has some concerns about, but there are parts of the bill that people agree should be implemented. There have been delays in the implementation of Anne’s law—we have heard from relatives of care home residents regarding their concerns about implementation. Pending the implementation of Anne’s law, are the two new health and social care standards that were introduced in 2022 sufficient to ensure that care home residents can maintain meaningful connections? Why have there been delays? What else could be done to support the implementation of Anne’s law?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Gillian Mackay

What are your views on the intention to bring social work services together, particularly given the potential inclusion of children’s services within the national care service, the pattern in which things are included—or not—across the country at the moment, and the potential difficulties that that could cause?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Gillian Mackay

Are the two standards sufficient?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Gillian Mackay

What parts of the bill would the witnesses like to progress? Your opinion may be personal or be given on behalf of the organisation that you represent. Notwithstanding the fact that Anne’s law could in theory be progressed outside of legislation, I very much recognise why carers organisations, people with lived experience and many others want some of those things to be enshrined in law, so that they are not negotiable. Eddie Follan is nodding along, so I go to him first.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Gillian Mackay

Good morning, and thank you for your answers so far.

My first question is for Rob Gowans. In our evidence taking, we have heard from witnesses that a lot of the bill could be progressed outwith legislation. As someone from an organisation that represents disabled people and people with lived experience, why do you think that it is so important for some of the things that are in the bill to be in legislation?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Gillian Mackay

You have articulated a number of things that can be given life only if they are in the legislation. Which of those do you believe should be strengthened by further amendment and what would you propose?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Gillian Mackay

My next question is for Karen Hedge and Rachel Cackett.

We have heard from relatives of people who are in care homes that there has been a delay in the implementation of Anne’s law and that relatives are not seeing the progress that they would like to have seen. What do you perceive as being the issues with that implementation? Should it be put on a statutory footing, even though it could be progressed outwith the bill, to give those families certainty that we will never again see what has happened before?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Gillian Mackay

Good morning. The Law Society of Scotland and other stakeholders have expressed concerns that the charter that is in the bill lacks legal status and overlaps with existing documents such as the national care standards. How could the charter be strengthened to provide meaningful legal protections and ensure that it serves as a clear and enforceable pathway for service users to uphold their care and human rights?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Gillian Mackay

Good morning. In the previous session, Rosemary Agnew in particular spoke to us about the complaints process and the fact that it has not really changed between the introduction of the bill and the proposed stage 2 amendments. How can we improve the cluttered landscape of complaints processes and make those processes accessible for people who need support as a result of their experiences with social care?

I go to Jan Savage first.