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More than anything else, then, is it a function of the growth that is occurring in those markets that explains the difference?

You are publishing the report on 23 December—is that correct?

Would it have been more helpful if we had not?

I did not get the other of the two submissions in time, so I am focusing on you, Ben. I apologise.

You said something—I found this to be quite interesting—about architects coming into the UK. The view seems to be that that is difficult to achieve in the current visa environment. As a matter of interest, the current salary qualification for a work visa in the UK is £38,700, and the point that was made in your submission is that that would be too high for a qualified architect. I found that quite bizarre. I have this idea in my head that after studying seven years at university and being a qualified architect, someone would probably be earning more than £38,700.

Is that right? Do most architects not earn more than £38,700?

Okay—I am going on what is in the paper.

You see the rest of the world as an opportunity. I absolutely accept the argument about of the exchange of ideas. It is obvious that the whole profession exists on the basis of new ideas and new thoughts. Does that happen with the rest of the world but not the EU?

Are you equating exchange of ideas with mobility?

What about conventions and conferences?

So you are just concluding that it had something to do with that.

How?