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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

The cabinet secretary knows that I believe that we should implement border controls in order to create an appropriate level playing field and a quid pro quo. At the moment, we are not in a particularly strong position when it comes to negotiating things, given that we have not implemented the original agreement—we probably agree on that.

I am concerned about the implications of any reopening of negotiations—well, let us be clear that the TCA is not going to be reopened; and I agree that the word “reset” is completely overused and is probably best not repeated. However, I want to ask you, as a Government minister, about a bit of the document that came to us following last week’s EU-UK Parliamentary Partnership Assembly. It concerns the element of sanitary and phytosanitary agreements, which you rename for the understanding of everyone who listens to you. It describes the discussions that are about to happen and talks about the value of

“providing a signal at or before the Summit”—

that is, the initial summit that reviews all of this—

“that a fair deal on fisheries will be reached,”

I read that with some alarm, to be frank. As you know, over the past couple of years, the Scottish fishing industry has been having a bit of a bumper time, with record catches in places such as Peterhead. I am concerned that we are going to repeat the mistakes of the past when it comes to access to UK territorial waters and fishing rights.

Do you agree with my concerns? Do you agree that the UK Government ought not to be giving away rights that we have only just recovered and that the benefit of our current position is not only that the fishing industry is having a bumper time but that we have an opportunity to invest in the onshore infrastructure around fishing, particularly with regard to processing?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

You are quoting very selectively.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

I will leave fish behind and move on to the subject of inquiry, which is trade in services. We learned from evidence that was presented to the committee that there has been a healthy increase of 9 per cent in service exports from the United Kingdom to the European Union, compared with an increase of 13 per cent in service exports to the rest of the world. I ask the cabinet secretary outright whether he accepts that, despite what he might want to believe—I respect his beliefs, of course—the evidence suggests that the service sector has continued to grow rather healthily in terms of the trade that we do between Scotland, the United Kingdom and the EU.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

And the Conservative Government that set up the office—brilliant.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

I am grateful to the cabinet secretary. He is saying that I am right about things that he is putting forward, but—interestingly—I do not necessarily wholeheartedly agree with everything he says that I am right about. I am interested in the—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes, I wanted to come to Dr Möschler, because I am interested in—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

As I think the cabinet secretary knows, I am an advocate for improved and more clearly defined intergovernmental and interparliamentary relations in the United Kingdom to make the state work better for citizens. I am all for that.

My last question is about youth mobility. I have listened to what Angus Robertson said and I do not doubt his sincere belief in the advantages of improved youth mobility, but that begs an obvious question. I know that he sits here as the Cabinet Secretary for Constitution, External Affairs and Culture, but if everything that he has said is true—I do not doubt that it is; I, too, believe in the advantages of youth mobility—why on earth has the Scottish Government done next to nothing to tackle the issue, compared with the example that the Welsh Government has set with Taith? Taith is a huge success, and I pay tribute to the Welsh Government for its vision and ambition and for the pace at which it has implemented a really successful exchange programme to complement the Turing scheme.

Let us be frank that the Scottish Government has done nothing with the Scottish education exchange programme. Where is the ambition? Where is the vision? Where is the passion about youth mobility that Angus Robertson rightly expressed earlier? Addressing that is well within the Scottish Government’s competence. Next to no money has been spent; the idea has just been tinkered with. In comparison with the Welsh ambition, the Welsh efforts and the Welsh budget for exchange, we are embarrassed, are we not? Are you not embarrassed?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

Oh my goodness! I hope that the official reporters are catching this.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

That was five years ago. What I am talking about is the current health of the Scottish fishing industry. You are talking about salmon, but I am talking about fishing.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

I am contesting that, because we are having record catches.