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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 November 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

No, that was at an event.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

That is not a meeting, cabinet secretary. If you meet at an event and you stand in line together and you chit-chat together, that does not constitute a formal meeting. There are no records of any formal meetings between you and Hugh Hall when he was the chairman of HES.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Cabinet secretary, there are no records of any formal meetings between you and the board. There are no records of any formal meetings between you and the chairman of HES for the four-and-a-half years that you have been the cabinet secretary. Given the state of HES, particularly in the last 18 months or so, I consider that to be, frankly, a dereliction of duty on your part as an accountable member of the Scottish Government for that very important body.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

You have not attended a single board meeting.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Cabinet secretary, I think that it is right for the convener to have started the question session by focusing on concern for the staff of HES, but you are here this morning to account to the committee for your part in all this. Records show that previous cabinet secretaries, including Fiona Hyslop, met the HES board in person multiple times a year. Since your appointment, how many times have you personally met the board and in what format?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

That is very helpful because one of the elements of the triggering of the Auditor General’s section 22 report is the lack of an accountable officer in the organisation. If I understand you correctly, you have said that the board was fully engaged in a discussion with you about the lack of an accountable officer and that there were mutual suggestions about how that might be dealt with. Is that correct?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Right, and last week a board member said that that is Angus Robertson’s responsibility.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Can you confirm whether HES has at any time in the last year operated without a designated accountable officer?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Dear, oh dear. This is what passes for scrutiny.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

None.