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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 May 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

That is fine. You mentioned that you are carrying out a customer satisfaction survey, which is really good news. I strongly believe in the value of such surveys. However, it would be very interesting to know whether you have conducted, are conducting or will conduct surveys among stakeholders, because you talk about “Loss of stakeholder confidence” in the annual report. Have you done a stakeholder survey and not published it, or have I not seen it? Is that in the works?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

It is about being able to disagree agreeably, which is proving to be more and more of a challenge in our public life. That, in itself, is a disincentive for people to enter public life, which, at the end of the day, is to the detriment of our country and its people.

Will you ever be able to break down the source and the nature of those types of complaints? One thing that I pick up, particularly from colleagues who are in councils, is that more complaints are being made by people in public office about other people in public office. Are you able to comment on that at all?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

Oh, are they in the report?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

Is there a trend of people in public office complaining about other people in public office?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

People outside the Parliament have continually expressed concerns, which they have aired quite publicly, that too many of our parliamentarians have only ever lived in the bubble of politics, and therefore their ability to do what you describe is inhibited by the fact that they have no hinterland.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

But there must be something amiss in the legislative process if, during that process, the Parliament or the committees—whichever it is—do not come up against the idea that, actually, a piece of legislation is probably outside the scope of the Parliament’s authority. Surely that is a process-related defect.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

That is okay—I get the message.

I have a concern about the power imbalance between the Executive and the Parliament. There have been a number of references to the fact that powerful committees were to be a feature of the Parliament, in place of a second chamber. I want to challenge something that Adam Tomkins said. He was critical of the scrutiny powers of the Parliament in relation to the power imbalance, but he was full of praise about process. However, if the process leads to law that is then designated as ultra vires, that is surely a failure in the process.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

I have a question about the changes that have occurred over 25 years. Certainly, Johann, you are well placed to offer observations on them. One of the things that I struggle with in this Parliament is the degree to which parties control everything. They control who is on the committees and who speaks in the chamber—just about everything. Is that how it was originally? Has that evolved? Has that stranglehold of party business managers and leaders evolved to what it is now, or was it like that from the beginning?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

Yes.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

Is that a reflection of calibre?